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Deflation + Debt = Disaster

Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D. | Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:30 am

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The last time deflation struck in a big way, my father was just 20 years old.

Now, as deflation hits hard again, I’m 69.

That just goes to show you how rare deflation really is.

And that’s also why virtually no one alive today has first-hand personal experience with it.

I don’t either.

I vicariously relived my father’s experiences with deflation through the many colorful stories he told. But that’s not the same.

I frequently visited Japan during its two deflation-ridden decades. But that was also different.

Despite all this, though, there is one thing that history teaches us with relative clarity: The collision of deflation and debt leads to disaster.

Put yourself in the shoes of the average consumer, and you’ll see exactly what I mean.

If you’re mostly debt-free, you can probably get by even in deflationary times. Sure, you may suffer a decline in income. But if prices are being discounted on virtually everything you buy — gas, food, airfares, even rents — then the enhanced purchasing power of the money you do earn can help offset the pain quite a bit.

The big killer is debt. If you think your bank is going to give you a discount on your monthly payments for mortgages, car loans, student loans and credit card balances, forget it. With rare exceptions, your debts are fixed and immutable.

So unless you have a lot of savings, the exit door is through a bankruptcy court, and it’s not exactly a pleasant experience.

You know what I’m talking about. You saw it yourself right here in the U.S. starting in 2007 — the year American households had piled up a record $10.6 trillion in home mortgages.

And you also know what happened next: As soon as real estate deflation knocked on our doors, mortgage defaults and personal bankruptcies spread more rapidly than the Zika virus.

Not-So-Smart Money

You’d think most of America’s smartest CEOs would have learned a lesson or two from these torn pages of insane financial history.

But the shocking reality is they haven’t learned a thing. Quite to the contrary, since the 2008 debt crisis, they’ve plunged headlong into debt with the same pathological lust for cheap credit as we saw in the housing boom.

And the parallel, equally shocking truth is that some of the nation’s brightest investment pros have financed the madness with vast sums of stock and junk bond purchases.

Look. Before the housing boom peaked, U.S. nonfinancial corporations had a total of $5.7 trillion in debts.

Now, as of the last reckoning (Sept. 30, 2015), they’ve got over $8 trillion.

Now, here’s the key (again): As long as the companies can command a decent price for their products and services, it’s not a big problem. But as soon as prices start falling, sales and profits follow. And suddenly, meeting debt payments looms as a huge hurdle each and every quarter. 

I’m not the only one worried about this …

OFR Warns of Threats

The U.S. Government’s Office of Financial Research (OFR) says the recent surge in corporate debts in America is a threat to financial stability. And in their 2015 report to Congress, OFR economists were quite explicit about it:

“The ratio of the debt of nonfinancial businesses in the United States to gross domestic product is historically high and companies’ leverage (the ratio of debt to earnings) continues to rise. The hunt for yield and current historically low default rates are promoting easy credit and heavy borrowing.

“Today’s low default rates seem unlikely to persist. Stress in energy and commodity industries from declining prices could spread as investors reassess their risks.”

The OFR economists are even more worried about the collision of deflation and debts overseas. Their own words:

“In many emerging mar­kets, such as markets in China, Russia, Latin American nations, and parts of Asia and Eastern Europe, debt levels in the private sector have reached historic highs after years of heavy borrowing. …

“A shock that erodes perceptions about credit quality in U.S. corporations or emerging markets could pose a threat to financial stability.”

The analysts at Fitch Ratings agree.

They decry the rapid rise of corporate debt in emerging markets.

They show how, in seven of the world’s largest emerging markets —Brazil, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Russia, South Africa and Turkey —  private sector debt has now surged to a whopping 77% of GDP.

And they’ve responded by putting more emerging-market countries on their “Negative Outlook” than at any time since 2009.

But OFR and Fitch may still be underestimating the explosions that are likely when deflation collides with debt.

Emerging-Market Debts About to Blow Up

Last fall, I was in Russia, including their deep south.

I just returned from Brazil a few weeks ago.

I’ve also spent a good amount of time in China recently.

And, in each case, I’ve seen vividly the collision course they’re on:

In Russia, private sector debt has surged to almost 75% of GDP, including both corporations and households. While I was there, I met few people that had been laid off. But nearly everyone I know is suffering directly or indirectly from salary cuts. One good friend, an emergency-room doctor in Samara for over 40 years, says her meager salary has already been slashed twice. Another, who works in the federal court of St. Petersburg, has suffered a similar fate. Giant oil companies are on the brink. Big banks are next.

In Brazil, private sector debt recently hit a new high of 95% of GDP. As long as incomes continued to grow, no one batted an eyelash. But right now, incomes are sinking fast. The malls we’ve visited have been deserted. Christmas traffic was abysmal. Consumer confidence has fallen to the lowest I’ve seen in my lifetime. Industrial production has plunged. And the entire economy is contracting at the fastest pace in over a decade. Petrobras, one of the world’s largest oil companies with $24 billion in debt, could be among the first giants to fail.

China tops both Russia and Brazil, with private debts now up to a red-hot default-prone level of 185% of GDP. In other words, for every dollar of goods and services produced in all of China, the country’s corporations and households have $1.85 in debts outstanding.

What about China’s economy? If you look strictly at government-polished stats, the economy seems to be less troubled than Brazil’s or Russia’s. But when I talk privately to average citizens and business people, I sense growing despair and fear. They don’t believe the government’s numbers. Why should we?

Plus, all three countries have one huge additional problem: The value of their currencies is falling — even crashing. This means that any debt payments they have to make in U.S. dollars (or euros) are taking an even bigger chunk out of their shrinking incomes.

Will Governments Come to the Rescue?

Don’t count on it for three reasons.

First, most emerging markets and advanced countries have already exhausted all the monetary and fiscal weapons in their arsenal — and then some.

They’ve already cut interest rates — often to zero. They’ve already printed money up the wazoo. And they’ve already run down big chunks of their foreign currency reserves.

When it comes to fighting deflation, they’ve been there, done that. And it obviously didn’t do diddly-squat to help them achieve their inflation targets — let alone prevent the rampant commodity price declines that are now sweeping global markets.

Second, the governments of the world’s largest economies have done absolutely nothing to reduce their own government debt:

At the latest reckoning the debt load of the U.S. government, even excluding all the uncounted extras, was 105% of GDP.

Belgium’s was 107%; Portugal’s, 128%; Italy’s, 133%; and Greece’s, 197%.

Worst of all, Japan, the world’s granddaddy of government debt, was up to a death-defying 246%, or more than double the levels of notoriously debt-buried countries like Ireland, Spain, Cyprus and Ukraine.

Third, the central governments of many highly indebted countries have also thrust their fingers deep into the debt pile of private corporations. They own the indebted companies, run the indebted companies and are often the first to get stuck with the company’s debt before or after a default.

Here’s the key — the point I made at the outset and the same point I’m going to make again right now:

As long as inflation continues, virtually all of these debt problems get swept under the rug. Borrowers earn more income, making it easy to pay off their debts. Plus, the real, inflation-adjusted cost of the debt payments goes down, making it even easier.

But with deflation, the opposite happens. Debts suddenly loom larger. Borrowers default. Companies declare bankruptcy. And they set into motion a chain reaction of corporate failures and market collapses that topple entire economies.

Whether or not things will get this bad in the U.S. remains to be seen. But in many emerging markets, the combination of deflation and debt is already leading to disaster.

We’re watching those countries carefully — especially China, Russia and Brazil. Unless global deflation ends very soon, I fear they could be the precursors of a future debt crisis that makes 2008 look small by comparison.

Good luck and God bless!

Martin

P.S. We are on the cusp of the most profitable bull market of our lifetime. Stocks will be driven higher by powerful global undercurrents that Wall Street will either ignore or fail to understand. As the Dow doubles, some stocks will see explosive gains of 300%, 400%, 500% and more. Savvy investors who make the right moves will become very rich!

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Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D.

Dr. Weiss founded Weiss Research in 1971 and has dedicated his entire career to helping millions of average investors find truly safe havens and investments. He is Chairman of the Weiss Group, which includes Weiss Research and Weiss Ratings, the nation’s leading independent rating agency accepting no fees from rated companies. His last three books have all been New York Times Bestsellers and his most recent title is The Ultimate Money Guide for Bubbles, Busts, Recession and Depression.

{ 103 comments }

Wapitiman Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:57 am

Very logical and informative! Everything written here makes a lot of sense!

Dave Ehlers Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 7:37 am

The key words in this very thoughtful treatise are . . .

DEFLATION + DEBT = DISASTER

We all should keep these simple few words in mind as near countless e-mails seek to advise us and charge us! Timing of D+D=DISASTER as debt levels continue to soar is uncertain . . what is not uncertain is the pain & suffering that will be inflicted on those who have borrowed too much and speculated that the future will be much the same as the past. Few believe that a world-wide deflation and depression could really happen . . those folks and institutions will pay an awesome price in broken homes, lives & businesses.

Remember . . DEFLATION + DEBT = DISASTER

T G Affolder Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:10 am

Its a great article, and I would agree with Mr Weiss. I am somewhat suspect of the last part about our market making the large gains, as the market of last resort. However I am willing to continue to seek their advise.

Michael Carlin Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:43 am

Food for thought. Your comments please.

L.Satin Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:49 am

Is that Post Script Martin’s or Edelson’s? And what is the “cusp”; weeks, months, or years?

Chuck Rose Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:51 am

And didn’t Larry say recently that the Dow will crash to below 14000 before it starts to climb?

Paul B Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:22 pm

I believe he gave his worst case was about 14670, but may not go that low.

Gordon Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:52 am

Yes Dr. Weiss is right. Also all rationality has deserted the stock markets. Banks hmm Barclays is the flavor of the day paying 30 million for skullduggery and no one going to jail. The Koch Bros are plowing 889 million into their “establishment” Republican lackeys up from 400 million last year. Wonder what that will buy them? Undying gratitude no doubt and also a hip pocket president. The BOJ plays games with money again and the market skyrockets upward and the yen tanks. Gold is looking good off to the gold shop tomorrow. Like my young g/f says “everybody gets a turn”

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:24 am

You failed to mention all of the money Hillary gets from her Wall Street pals. And then there is the $2 Billion in her slush fund/”charity” funded by foreigners. Try balance.

Eagle495 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:16 am

Gordon,
Congratulations on finding your way to Thailand and the good life that your Social Security and Pension allows!…. :) Did you serve there “back in the day”?

Mike Riley Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:07 am

Egon VonGreyerz at Matterhorn Asset Management is basically mirroring what Martin Weiss
is saying above. The USA & world financial situation is simply astounding & terrifying !

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:28 am

“I fear they could be the precursors of a future debt crisis that makes 2008 look small by comparison.”
Martin, now you are talking what I have been saying. This Depression is going to be huge. And as you said, high debt + deflation is a disaster. And that will be true for America where Barack’s wild, drunken spending has doubled our National Debt….just in his 7 years.

albert Monday, February 1, 2016 at 1:33 pm

Reagan QUADRUPLED our debt ….. from$1 to $4 TRILLION.

Ken Richardson Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:44 pm

I believe you mean billion, didn’t get to trillion until 2009.

daniel johnson Monday, February 1, 2016 at 4:22 pm

KEN, 800 BILLION DEBT WHEN REAGAN ENTERED OFFICE , 2.8 TRILLION WHEN HE LEFT. AND IT’S BEEN UPWARD EVER SINCE DUE TO THE TAX CUTS HE INITIATED .

Dave Westrom Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:04 am

Daniel, ‘revenue’ to big government more than doubled while Reagan was in office. The problem then, as it is now, is big government spending. Big government has an insatiable appetite for spending money it does not have, and that is the fundamental source of all of the problems discussed.

hawk5000 Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:33 pm

but no mention of the 9 trillion + that Obama has added to the national debt and he still gets to make out the budget for 2017 soooo we will be way into 20 trillion in debt after the worst president in the history of the united states

RJ Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 9:30 am

it was close to 11 trillion when W left office, Reagan went from less than a trillion to 3 trillion

hawk5000 Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:37 pm

yea but you forgot to mention after president carter gutted the military to almost nothing president Reagan built it back up again now going forward Obama gutted the military to the lowest level in decades and still managed to double the national debt

Chabs Friday, February 5, 2016 at 8:01 am

The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress the last two years of W. Congress approves the spending.

seattlebruce Monday, February 1, 2016 at 6:42 pm

Neither party’s immune from the fiscal insanity currently gripping us, but US GDP ranged from just under $3T, to about 5.5T when Reagan left office, and the national debt went from .8T to 2.8T – so up to about 50% of GDP. While this is no crowing achievement (just the opposite you could certainly argue), it pales to the GDP when Obama took office at $14T, with debt at $10.5T, and the GDP today at approx. $17.5T, with debt at $19T. So Obama’s gone from 75% debt to GDP to 104.3% debt to GDP. Obama’s taken a bad bipartisan problem, and amped it up, magnified it into a HORRIBLE problem.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Dan Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:32 am

Dr Weiss, you say you’ll especially be watching China, Russia & Brazil, but none of these countries show up on your bar chart of countries with most debt? Why not if you are so concerned about them?

Thomas Monday, February 1, 2016 at 2:22 pm

I’m watching the USA, China, and Germany…. in that order.
Weiss has some good points to consider.
Stay out of debt, and weather the storm.

Wm.Gammon Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:39 am

What is the probability of the US. pulling a “Cypress” on those few who have their life savings housed in one or more local banks? I’m 83 and if I am careful and make do with what I have, can survive a downturn, but a confiscation by the government of my savings ???. I have Social Security (which is most shaky) and a pension plus my savings. Fortunately I have no debts and — so far — good health, but….??? Suggestions? bill

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:34 am

It IS possible because this thing is going to get VERY rough. Gold and silver could help along with a few very high quality stocks, cash and some land. Diversify. Unfortunately, it is hard to avoid the gubmint takers.

Bill Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:44 am

Everything said makes sense. Include record student debt, record car loans, the Fed increasing their balance sheet $3.5T, the Obama administration doubling our debt to almost $20T and you wonder what is going to be the event to take us under again. Will it be a gradual decline with smaller ups and bigger downs or will it be a black swan event that causes the next fall. I hate to be negative but it is hard to find a silver lining here. I guess a good game of defense and patience is what’s called for.

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:42 am

Good points. It is more likely to not be a black swan event but rather a market ruled by panics ala the recent events in China and then looking back, the U.S. 1929-1930. Social mood always rules the larger trends of the markets. And when it turns down as it is doing right now (witness the unhappiness with the establishment political parties)…….very bad things happen.

Chuck Burton Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:46 am

I would like more explanation as to how, in a deflationary economy, stock prices might inflate. That seems contradictory.

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:37 am

Agreed. It is not very likely for the vast majority of stocks. BTW….if this happens like the Great Depression, you should see the stocks that survive really increase their dividends to attract what few investors will be out there.

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 1:51 pm

example: china’s economy, stock market and currency are deflating, yet america’s dollar is still strong – so, importers, like walmart, can buy even more for less. more bang for your buck, so to speak. you can see how this will be constructive for earnings yet still a bargain for consumers down the road … so long as the rest of the world doesn’t drag us down with them. i think that may be dr weiss’ implied message today.

Howard Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:22 pm

Just a thought as there are many factors at work.

When the stock price is compared to a stable currency then some normal rules apply. When the currency of choice is just printed out of thin air, then the value of the stock may inflate and be perceived differently.

John Monday, February 1, 2016 at 5:48 pm

I agree too. If nations default, consumption will dramatically fall too i.e. deflationary, and if the dollar remains strong then everything (imports) becomes even more expensive including their debt obligations to the US. Hence less money to buy American goods equals less profits(earnings) is what drives the stock market, at least one of the bigger factors anyway… However if these countries go under and their economic engines sputter then the US will have less competition like it used to be. Then I can see a “bull market”.

Rod Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:52 am

The chart is government debt vs gdp. The countries’ stats were personal debt vs gdp. I would like to see a chart of personal debt vs gdp. Thanks.

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:40 am

china’s stock market is crashing. so what. how many of you own a chinese stock on the shanghai? it’s a small market owned mostly by chinese investors. i don’t want to sound callous, but it seems to me that china’s deflation problem means even cheaper prices for americans – their pain is our gain. so america’s future entails cheaper imports from the rest of the world, including oil, which means higher profits for importers and/or lower costs to consumers. the transition is proving to be a little bumpy, but for the mid- and long-term economy these lower import prices appear to be hugely bullish for america.

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:45 am

btw, this was an absolutely fantastic article by dr weiss.

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:18 pm

The only people who will gain are those that have no debt, those who will be able to keep their job, the wealthy, and the savers; and their numbers are minimal. You must be able to count yourselves among them; but what about the young, what about those in debt, and what about the unemployed and those laid off their job, to name a few of the many who will not benefit? What kind of wonderful life will they have to look forward to, and how will they react to all of this?
Will

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:40 pm

america will do well. china and emerging markets will follow. we may all suffer a war.

$1,000 gold Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 1:01 am

i’ve been a blue-collar worker all my life, will. i suffered miserable underemployment during the bear market of the 1970s, much like the millennials of today. it’s taken me a lifetime of sacrifice and discipline to reach a point where i may be able to retire to my same standard of living or slightly less. i can sympathize with the unfortunate members of society, because i’ve been there. far from being wealthy, i never take my good situation for granted.

$1,000 gold Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 1:25 am

if i had one piece of advice for the millennials, it would be to realize that most wealthy people started out with little or nothing, suffered the miserable pain of poverty, and made most of their fortune in the later stages of life. rarely is it the other way around. the pain you feel as a millennial now, will eventually compel you to succeed for the remainder of your life.

Joe Knapp Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:45 am

In a deflationary world debt is to be avoided at all costs. Real interest rates (nominal money rates plus the rate of deflation) are very high and debts have to be repaid in dollars of greater value than the dollars that were borrowed. Those with debts want to repay them as quickly as possible, because debt burdens automatically grow larger in real terms over time. If prices fall by 10 percent, a $100 debt effectively becomes a $110 debt. And if debt reduction becomes the No. 1 priority, no one will invest in the things that cause growth.
Lester Thurow 1999

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:08 pm

Excellent points.

tom tomko Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:07 am

I can’t help but notice that many of the respondents have used the phrase “It sounds perfectly logical.” Since the markets are generally illogical, doesn’t that raise a red flag, a sign of caution? After all, if the markets were truly logical, wouldn’t lawyers and accountants and doctors all be winners in these crazy markets?

TTT

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:01 pm

Since when have lawyers and accountants been logical?

Eagle495 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:12 am

Simple Economics 101…… As more and more wealth flows to the wealthiest 3%, the economy slows as the 97% have less and less money to spend…… We were in a very similar situation during the run up to 1929 before the 3% blew up the stock market and what was left of the economy….. Then many of the 3% threw themselves out of their office building windows and the 97% began to starve…… Those that have studied real history, know what brought our great country back from the brink of anarchy……. Will we take our great country back again and throw out what is left of the carpet bagging Quislings of the 3%? I’m betting we will…..

hawk5000 Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:50 pm

hey eagle your mentor dictator Obama promised 6% or more of growth every year he was president 4th quarter the economy grew at 0.5 %

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:17 am

Over the last two weeks I returned to close out several Defects Liability Periods on contracts that were completed a year ago. Since our project office was closed a year ago we were in the clients office (government client). When we were there the atmosphere became grim after a clients staff meeting. We found out that the staff were informed that their wages would be halved because of a lack of available funds. I also talked with various restaurant managers who informed me that tax department staff were recently visiting to count tables and chairs. Mr. Weiss is absolutely correct about the world wide extent of this recession; but I do not agree with his PS that the US stock market is going to be a beneficiary any time soon, and I”ll tell you why I believe the stock market will not get stronger any time soon.

1) If other currencies weaken against the dollar, then American goods will become more expensive than imported counterpart items, cutting into sales and profits at a time when debt needs to be repaid. 2) The U.S. debt bubble is vulnerable to bursting along with the debt bubble of the rest of the world. 3) Foreign funds will flow to hard assets such as real estate (farmland in particular) and to physical gold, with suspicion towards stocks (hangover effect). 4) Foreign money will search and find assets to buy outright at prices deflated by debt overhang, rather than chasing stocks to over priced levels any time soon. 5) The game of falsified PEs, stock buy backs and dividends paid with borrowed money is over. 6) American household and corporate debt stands in the way.

Yes stocks can move higher after a stock market cleansing; but I should be surprised of this being the case in the short term. This is not a time to be saying that stock prices will go up without support of such statement in the manner as in the article preceding the PS. So next article please show me wrong by explaining why the stock market is the place where we need to put our money at this time.

$1,000 gold Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 1:37 am

the bear argument is always the logical argument, but time and time again the bears are overwhelmingly proven wrong over the long haul. those who put an amount in the stock market they feel comfortable with and keep it there for the long haul, are always pleased with results in the end.

Dale St Clair Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:34 am

As a Canadian, I now see the same thing happening with our government. Trudeau’s bleeding heart Liberals want to increase our debt by $10 billion to cushion the effects of the oil bust , the influx of Syrian refugees , poor exports due to the “buy America “policy, and many of the branch plants have long gone back to the U.S. or mexico. The Conservatives before they lost the election last year had paid down the nat. debt to almost nothing. It’s like paying down your mortgage then your spouse runs up the credit card….Justin-not-ready.

hawk5000 Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:55 pm

and Canada”s national healthcare was paid for by the high price of oil Canada’s liberals thought oil would always stay over 150 a barrel at least that what they sold to the masses so how much longer are you going to have national healthcare in Canada at the present price of oil being under 30

Lawrence Graves Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:08 pm

As the late Vern Meyers used to say “all debts must be paid” and these gargantuan debts the USA federal government has incurred must ultimately be paid.

Iza Mas Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:29 pm

why you do publish my comments?

Iza Mas Monday, February 1, 2016 at 12:37 pm

ok Weiss was saying in 2008 that the US dollars will collapse. Now he says that the emerging market is heading into doom. so I write this comment about this but it was not published. Am thinking that he is just falling in line with Wall Street.
are you going to publish this? if you do not then i know whom i am dealing with.

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 1:18 pm

Gold seems to be forming a well rounded bottom. To see this best go to the 6 month NY closing price chart (check Kitco charts); and is looking to penetrate the resistance line about a month from now at about $1,215 (see 5 year chart). Should this happen as it appears it might, then in March 2016 gold will be starting a new bull market as I see it. Go to the Kitco Gold Charts website and check it out for your own conclusion.

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 6:04 pm

so gold is going to start a new bull market during at time when the topic of conversation is deflation?

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:46 pm

You must read Harry Dent. Gold will go up based on crisis, not based on deflation.

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:44 pm

i’m not doubting you. i’m just making the same point – that gold is not an inflation story.

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:22 pm

Great. Will you be upgrading your pseudonym to accommodate higher gold prices then. Only kidding

$1,000 gold Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:47 pm

i’m long-term bearish gold. secular stock bears equal secular gold bulls and vise versa. remember that, will, and you’ll always understand gold and never have to listen to anyone else. unfortunately for gold, secular stock bulls last for decades, and gold only shines for a short decade or so in between.

Steve Monday, February 1, 2016 at 1:21 pm

Recessions correct inventory while depressions correct finance. Weiss & Co. are calling for a rise in the DJIA due to global flight to quality which has good merit. A flight to quality in hard assets labors under the deflationary burden of falling prices, ie commodities such as we now see in energy, grains and metals. For instance, Campbell Soup is seen as a safe blue chip stock (food supplier) while food growers- grains and John Deere are marked down. The middlemen in necessities are seen as strong holdings while capital intensive producers are not. The attraction of Coca Cola in hard times recalls how a little refreshing relief can make a big winning stock.

Note during the 1930’s depression, one quarter of US households were unaffected. Their kids went to college and danced to Benny Goodman, etc. Today, a similar demographic, likely smaller though, will also be unaffected. The stocks that will benefit are companies that are debt free and have strong regional or national market reach

Liam Monday, February 1, 2016 at 1:30 pm

Hello Martin, I wonder if the advice given to avoid being eaten by a bear doesn’t also apply 100% to these corporations: Be faster and more agile than the slowest member of your party, and you won’t get eaten. If this were 2008, the ones the bear ate would’ve been AIG and Fanny May and Freddie Mac. Sadly, to even compete against these kinds of banking behemoths, other slightly smarter financial sector players had to engage in the same or similar risks. Bank of America though would be the one who the bear didn’t eat, because it was less bogged down, only marginally, than its peers with CDOs.

Howard Monday, February 1, 2016 at 2:51 pm

Hi Martin

The BOJ surprised many because they seemed to throw in the towel. In this environment, imagine a substantial investor or fund manager agreeing to leave their funds in a market place having negative interest rates. Investment capital flows where it is most wanted. Our liquid markets present a brilliant opportunity for them. Where there is geographic instability we offer security, where there is perceived deflation we offer returns and where there is world wide panic we offer commercial size and experience. We are approaching a time where having securities versus cash is a worthwhile consideration to the patient stock picker. When everything is on its head and no one wants to buy, some among us will see this.

Howard Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:04 pm

One last thing to consider

Time can be your enemy, or your friend.

David Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:09 pm

Great article from Dr.Weiss and generally in agreement with Larry Edelson. I also think that ‘wages’ been cut in the US for seniors who have, I believe only had two small increases SS in the last five years, none for 2016, and there are a lot of people in this category. Where I am still confused, and therefore almost totally in cash, is that Dr. Weiss, Larry Edelson, Doug Casey and Harry Dent, all agree that the Debt in the world will have to be repaid somehow, and Deflation is our biggest problem now. Both Dent and Edelson agree on the cycles and deflation but disagree on Gold and Stocks. Larry thinks we will have a correction down to about 14,000, then take off to 31,000 by 2017, Harry thinks stocks will lose at least 50% in the same period. Larry thinks Gold will go up strongly to around $2,500 in by late in 2017, Harry says Gold is just a commodity and is going down to at least $700 and maybe lower. As they both agree on debt/deflation and their cycle work is almost identical, this says to me, stay in cash, especially the US $ which they both agree on.
David in Williamsburg, Va

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:15 pm

Good stuff. I think Dent is generally on the right track.

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 9:00 pm

If gold is just a commodity like Harry Dent says, then what is money?

rita Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:11 pm

I’m 92, lived through the big one. I remember my parents…”Pay cash, if you don’t have the money, you can’t afford it. etc.” & constantly predicting Doomsday until they died in the ’80’s. Will I live through another ??

PS Learned well…have no debts !

joe Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:11 pm

Our two severe depressions occurred with repub presidents who had business backgrounds. We are a nation of amnesia and denial. Recall where we were in 2007 to January 2009.

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:17 pm

This one has already started….under a democrat. And it will make the other look like runts.

hawk5000 Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:59 pm

actually it was FDR liberal that put us in 2 depressions only world war 2 got us out of it ……………… the second depression happened in 1937 so before you spout more liberal b/s know what your talking about

Ted F Monday, February 1, 2016 at 4:16 pm

The country went through a deflationary period following the Civil War, but it was fueled by sky high prices and profits. The government attempted to pay for the war with greenback dollars which the government itself refused to accept as payment for public debt (eg. taxes), so it proved to be not worth the paper they were printed on, literally, cheaper to use them than buy toilet paper for the same purpose.

Ted F Monday, February 1, 2016 at 4:16 pm

And oh yeah wages were forced down also after the civil war.

Noteriety Monday, February 1, 2016 at 4:28 pm

I’m confused. I would have to think that for the majority of Americans real income has been on the decline for quite some time. And right now you are not going to see the minimum wage going DOWN…..if anything it will go up due to current societal pressures.

So therefore, I would think a deflationary period with dropping prices on day-to-day goods will actually generate wealth for the majority of Americans who have seen their wealth dissolve over the past 20-30 years.

And wouldn’t that be a good thing in the long-run for economic health?

Richard B Monday, February 1, 2016 at 4:38 pm

Have read a lot about all that is happening in precious metals,,commodities,inflation, deflation,world economies in the past few months.

My conclusion: have enough to live on, do not take big risks with your basic needs,, and definitely invest in things that will be good in the long range—i.e. 2020 and beyond(tech and biotech)

Frank Monday, February 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm

with so many prognosticators of doom each offering their own stock for salvation, how will these protect us ?

M. Lebrija Monday, February 1, 2016 at 5:52 pm

Just as a reference, figures just came out,Mexico’s Public Sector debt is 45% of GDP
Where did you get the information that private sector debt is 77% of GDP ?

MONEY Monday, February 1, 2016 at 6:00 pm

why so much money for your services?

S.E Monday, February 1, 2016 at 6:00 pm

Deflation it’s not the recipe for disaster it’s a healthy recipe for growing are economy ,it gives consumer,people more purchasing power,that’s why we head the best economy in the world,if we keeped the inflation under the control and didn’t let to happen what happened and its happening again and are government it’s doing absolutely nothing to stop,except give them more power,over
Controls they shouldn’t have.The bigest inflation happening right now it’s a real estate housing market which is 50%_75% over valued priced and some areas even more it’s the bigest recipe for another disaster if is not deflated with alarming speed and controlled for the long run.

Miron Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:29 am

I agree with S.E.
The biggest problem now is the real estate inflation.
Only after the real estate bubble will burst,the real deflation will come and take its toll.

Gerald H. Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:04 pm

I keep hearing how Deflation is good for the consumers, Because things are suppose to cost less. But I have not seen anything come down in prices yet except Gasoline. Food, Rent, Electronics, Cars, House Hold Goods, All Services, Everything else has only gone up in prices. Am I missing something, or is only Me because I live In Hawaii.

Ivano Monday, February 1, 2016 at 8:06 pm

It is not your imagination Gerald! State side, prices have been steadily mover up every year.. A five pound bag of flour is now 4 pounds. 16 oz containers are not 12 oz. and so on. Deflation is pure B.S. Maybe at the wholesale level but we consumers do not purchase goods at the wholesale level. Lumber is up and rising yet timber is down. But I do not build houses with trees. Finished products after 2009 bust are still rising. Rentals, there seems like there is no ceiling in some towns. Been to a doctor’s office recently? My eye doctor for a standard visit increased is bill from 165.00 to 225.00 in just one year for a 1/2 hour visit. So, deflation is really only at the wholesale, raw materials levels. As usual the bottom 95% and social security people keep getting shafted by Obo…economics. !! Can you hear this Mr. Eagle !! Those Demos that you love have shafted savers and retired workers who depend upon S.S. Not RINOS

151 Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:25 pm

Deflation is most definitely…..NOT good for consumers. You must look at the impact on the entire economy. Here is just ONE example: during the Great Depression, credit virtually disappeared. Very few banks would lend money….cash was hoarded because it kept increasing in value. That might not seem like a huge problem….but it is. Most companies need short term credit just to make payroll. Many companies in the Great Depression had to close their doors because they could not make payroll. Their business was, in many cases, passable…..but they could not survive without credit. So….if you didn’t have a job….you couldn’t take advantage of those low costs. And as to some of those costs not going down yet…..we are in the very early days of what will be a long process.

Sonny Monday, February 1, 2016 at 7:49 pm

Can’t beat a testimony of someone who has walked the land and talked to the local people about the economy , here in Ohio there is a shortage of factory workers , mostly machine shops , medical , industrial , alot of tech workers needed . Driving around seeing all these signs is comforting , and most of the companies hiring will train you . Maybe our Governor would make a good POTUS.

North America may very well be insulated from the coming Sh*t Storm headed to the rest of the world.

john eastman Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:22 pm

As far as deflation, I only see it in industrial commodity prices, raw materials. No demand so prices are down. I see inflation at Publix and things like tires, made from cheaper oil have only increased. Beef is $10 a pound. A wheat bread is pushing $5. Everything is going up and cheap energy prices are the only thing preventing a total runaway.
I had to buy some cobalt drill bits and they were up 20%.

The debt of the US is greater my magnitude than any other failed economy. You think NA will be insulated? Really? How assuring. Lets see, we are a total service economy, manufacture weapons and sell jets. If interest rates rise only a percent the combined income of the IRS cannot even pay the interest. DEFAULT!

When you figure what stocks are not going to tank please let me know. I think being debt free is #1. Pull the cash out of the banks and have at lease some metal around.
The Banksters have a plan to jump us onto their single monetary unit. I think they will attempt it soon. The dollar will get scalped. Hillary will fast track the event horizon. Donald will put some drag onto it. Weiss lives too much in the past. Things are radically different in the global matrix from 1929. We were on a metal standard then. Now we are on a pile of paper.

The only solution is a self sustaining closed economy.
Charger John

Sonny Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:55 pm

Very Interesting John – in 1929 we where on a metal standard and now we stand on a pile of paper , this fact might be the key & the reason why I believe PMS are going to increase greatly – only so much to go around and of course I’m talking metal in one’s hand

Will Monday, February 1, 2016 at 10:39 pm

Although the comments by readers show some polarity, what Dr Weiss presents here is well worth paying attention to; even if we not all agree with the PS tacked on at the end.

B Pawlak Monday, February 1, 2016 at 11:04 pm

The $ global matrix will drone on, shoring up the weak, money insanity with strong, rat hole $ resolve. Few will get the drift.

joey Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 12:00 am

I live in Vancouver Canada. Here, deflation is a much desired wish. Absolutely nothing has gone down in cost and everything keeps going up in price. Even gasoline is selling for what it sold for when a barrel of oil was $120. And in general, wages have been stagnent for a decade or more (except politicians of course. They’re up 60% in the past decade.) Dr. Weiss,may God grant British Columbia some deflation!

russian bear Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 10:56 pm

same in russia. they are much of muchness with regard to weather, ya know – and that both are governed externally, from Fashington, for short

O Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 7:31 am

“First, most emerging markets and advanced countries have already exhausted all the monetary and fiscal weapons in their arsenal — and then some. They’ve already cut interest rates — often to zero.”

This is very wrong.

hawk5000 Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 7:06 pm

remember when Weiss made this comment that all currency’s are on the race to the bottom look how many country’s are devaluing their currency ‘s and look how many now have negative interest rates trying to stimulate their nations economys

Rubit Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 10:17 pm

Dr. Weiss promotes thought. Have you noticed that MSM stock does not show debt to income ratio for companies anymore?!

Makes one wonder….

donald Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 10:42 pm

Close on the heels of the Emerging Market Countries – – come’th the USA. We too; will be engaged once again in,”the Print,” and, the likelihood of negative interest rates. Our arsenal has been depleted; we have nothing else to stimulate anything!

May we prime the pump, Kind Sirs; may we borrow money from the Accounts of all of U? You will get an IOU from Uncle Sam; who will pay U, 3% interest on your money; for the duration of the Loan.

Our Debts at all levels are horrific. What happens when Ordinary People can no longer borrow money from anyplace; and, everything is maxed out? One worries everyday; because there is nothing left in Savings; & Layoffs are expected at work.

To make matters worse; I have been reading a lot lately; about the Coming Age of Machines, Artificial Intelligence, and Robotics. Should I be worried?

russian bear Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 10:52 pm

the report is contrary to reality – with regard to russia. Consumer inflation for passed year was at 30% (thirty) %, central bank prime rate is above 8 (eight) percent – welcome to wonderland

donald Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 11:06 pm

Let me leave U with a question I have posed a number of times; and, no one seem to know – – or, wants to answer it.

In 1980; the U.S,, was arguably the Wealthiest and leading Creditor Nation in the World. The National Debt was closer to $500 Billion; than One Trillion.

By 2010; the U.S., was the Poorest Nation; and, the leading Debtor Nation in the World. How and why did that happen; and, in a span of just, 30 years?

Seems to me that what took over 200 years for previous Generations to Build; was destroyed in an almost unbelievable short period of time. What’s been going on?

jancey Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 11:40 pm

is it true all the oil companies are pulling out of oil the same as The Saudi’s over to Telsa /solo? in Australia we hear this?

Will Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 6:20 am

How many Teslas have you observed in Australia jancey? There is an efficiency loss at the engine and at the generator; and then further efficiency loss to get the power to the battery and then further energy loss in the electric motor of the car. Just because the oil business looks like death warmed over, doesn’t mean demand for oil is killed by Tesla cars.

john Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 3:51 pm

What happened to the DOW at 31,000???????……..Yet another great forcast from the muppet show here!!!!!

steve Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 11:05 am

Debit is not kind to any person or country. When a person gets trapped by debit, and all debit must be paid there comes a time that the cottage gets sold and so does the second car then the motorcycle then gramma’s silvereware and/or whatever it takes to get balance back and sustain normality. Same goes for country’s like China. and will happen in America .
The Chinese are not going to sell gold assets. They will likely sell the American debit, its bonds. This will add stress to the American system who will also have to react as their system is now under attack and they will have to start a fire sale and pass on the pain. Who is the poor soul at the bottom of this chain.

Eoin Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 6:14 pm

A new analysis – reads over against other reports and financial newsletters. The analogy with the ’30s is interesting–but I already knew fortunes were made then.
Transhumanism (a philosophy developed by Pierre Teilhard de Charden prior to his death in 1955) is presently at work in our industrial – technological-social world with robotics etc. Will new breakthroughs in the high-tech world impinge on America’s economy? Probably!
Anyway, Weiss and his analists may be right. They are worth following.

Eoin Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 7:06 pm

Donald: America moved from a Debit economy (in the fifties) to a Credit economy.
Nixon took us off the gold standard (as we all know) but probably was forced to.) Carter centralized the education system: History and Geography were replaced by SOCIAL STUDIES–nationally with a centralized education system. Clinton introduced Political Correctness (invented in Russia in Stalin’s time). Moral values are driven by PC today. Millennials, for the most part, are latching on to Bernie. Some may rediscover a free market economy–but their training and education are against it. Yet the natural curiosity of some may prevail. Those who forget history are doomed, not to repeat it, but will rhyme with it!

Country Boy Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 9:53 pm

Hard assets is the way to go, here in Australia we have lots of land, good land, but we are not making any more of it. Big money is bleeding out of Europe, The Middle East, Russia ,China ,Japan and Latin America this money, smart money, will go to the best home. At the moment the US stock market looks good, but is it paper & electronic figures time will tell. I am going for metal and farm land, no third party holdings. You may say but no yeild, but safe I’ve worked too hard for mine. Take heed of the Doc.

Erastus Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 11:38 pm

Everything is going to the dogs…collapse here collapse there…and then “We are on the cusp of the most profitable bull market of our lifetime. Stocks will be driven higher by powerful global undercurrents that Wall Street will either ignore or fail to understand. As the Dow doubles,” What is it? Boom or Bust? Deflation is not going to make the stock market double.

Russ Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 4:37 pm

To The Weiss Services –

I have been a subscriber for many years, way back before the internet came about.

It seems that the Weiss Organization has changed!! Not that some of the advise is not good, some is, some not so much.

However, NEW advice newsletters are increasing at a startling rate. I seem to be receiving a NEW service offer every week or so; if not a NEW one, an OLD one with a new name!! To wit: Edelson’s Gold & Silver Trader transformation; then a NEW service by Edelson to teach you how trade in precious metals – of course with a new fee!! I assumed that the Gold & Silver Trader covered that aspect of trading????? Now Mr. Edelson is touting another NEW service (of course with a hefty fee) in currency trading!!! We are currently receiving currency trading advice, from Mr. Edelson, in Super Cycle Trader now – is this new one better??

My rant is over, but do any other subscribers have these questions????

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