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More than $7 trillion of sovereign bonds and notes are in issue at less than their face value. That means if you buy a German, Japanese or Swiss bond (some as far out as 10 years), you will actually receive less than you paid for it.
Never mind interest payments. You won’t ever collect any of those.
For bond investors, who at the very minimum are used to just getting their money back, today’s markets are a bewildering experience that frankly looks like confiscatory finance. But such are the times we live in, where the world’s central banks have been driven to zero and below as they desperately try to stimulate the G-7 economies.
At no time in history have so many advanced economies flirted with the negative interest-rate policy. So far, the results have not been encouraging. Growth in G-7 has actually declined over the past six months, and all the easy-credit conditions have not spurred additional spending.
Now come two titans of finance to explain why even free money can’t get the advanced economies out of their rut:
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Bill Gross – just one of the voices warning on negative rates. |
Just this week, Larry Fink, the co-founder of Blackrock, and Bill Gross, the legendary bond portfolio manager, have both warned that negative rates may actually be hurting growth.
> Fink, in a letter to shareholders, said: “Their (central bank) actions are severely punishing the world’s savers and creating incentives to reach for yield, pushing investors into less-liquid asset classes and to increased levels of risk, with potentially dangerous financial and economic consequences.”
Yet in an even more damning insight, Fink states that negative yields may actually hurt consumption because investors must allocate more and more capital to extract yield. This makes eminent sense as lack of cash flow from investments has no doubt curtailed investor income significantly — perhaps even by 50% over the past few years.
> Gross thinks that negative rates are actually a threat to the whole capitalist system. He told Barron’s: “When interest rates get to zero – and that isn’t the endpoint; they could go negative – savers are destroyed. And savers are the bedrock of capitalism. Savers allow investment, and investment produces growth.
“Even in a negative-rate environment, as in Germany or Switzerland, banks and big insurance companies have little choice but to park their money electronically with the central bank and pay 50 basis points.
But an individual can say “give me back my money” and keep it in cash. That’s what would make the system implode. I’m not talking about millionaires or Newport Beach-aires, but people with $25,000 or $50,000. Without deposits, banks can’t make loans anymore, so the system starts to collapse.”
“Despite the warnings… the trend in negative rates is unlikely to reverse anytime soon.” |
Yet despite the warnings from Fink and Gross, the trend in negative rates is unlikely to reverse anytime soon.
That means that blue-chip dividend stocks — which have already become de facto bonds — will only attract more capital and the whole structure of equity finance may change.
Companies that have preferred to use their cash for buybacks rather than dividend payouts may be forced by activist investors to change their ways as yield becomes king and capital appreciation takes a back seat.
So in our Alice in Wonderland world of finance, dividends may be investors’ only salvation.
Happy trading!
Boris Schlossberg
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The chairman of Volkswagen AG and other top executives agreed to large bonus cuts to help resolve a dispute over management pay in the midst of the emissions-cheating scandal, Reuters reports. New Chairman Hans Dieter Poetsch, who was the former chief financial officer, and current management-board members are seeking a “reasonable and fair solution” for bonuses, Germany-based Volkswagen said.
The automaker has been under pressure over executive bonuses after labor unions and the German state of Lower Saxony, the company’s second-largest shareholder, opposed generous bonuses given the financial hit the company suffered from the scandal. Poetsch was in the spotlight because he was entitled to a payment of $11.4 million last year as compensation for leaving the higher-paid CFO post. Volkswagen faces billions of dollars in fines for allegedly installing systems to rig diesel-engine emissions tests. And, it has said the more than $7 billion earmarked in the third quarter of 2015 won’t be enough.
Ford plans to redevelop dozens of buildings in Dearborn, Mich., to create two Silicon Valley-style campuses over the next 10 years, The Detroit News reported. The work represents an investment of more than $1.2 billion, and it will give Ford’s employees the work environment and technology necessary to design and develop cars of the future, the automaker said.
Ford currently has its headquarters off Michigan Avenue, and it has nearly 70 disconnected buildings spread out along Oakwood Boulevard. Many of the buildings are more than 60 years old.
Industrial output in the eurozone declined more sharply than expected in February, but it was still set to register an increase over the first quarter after a strong start to the year, The Wall Street Journal reported. Output of factories, mines and utilities declined 0.8% last month from January, but it was 0.8% higher than in February 2015.
The result was weaker than forecast by economists surveyed by the WSJ, who estimated that output fell 0.5% on the month, and rose 1.3% on the year. Nevertheless, the industrial output may yet help drive economic growth during the first three months of the year. Should that happen, the WSJ said, it would underpin expectations that the region’s economy is set to grow at roughly the same modest pace this year as it did last, despite weaker demand for its exports from China and other large developing economies.
The Money and Markets team
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BONDS VS. GOLD
Negative Interest Rates are possibly one reason why gold, silver, and precious mining stocks have done so well in 2016 thus far. There is no systemic risk, currency risk, or other concerns with gold or silver. Depending on where you store them, holding costs are negligible, as well. No negative interest rates with physical gold or silver either.
Agree
gold is still in a bear market. the bottom is not in yet for gold. the bottom is below $1,000. unless the top is in for stocks, which i doubt. don’t complicate gold. gold is very simple. stocks go up, gold will go down. this has been going on long before you and i were born.
if stock enter a bear market, i will buy gold.
Yes stocks go up and gold goes down. If you watch history the big money boys are getting out of stocks and out of town. Millionaires are leaving the big cities in droves. Like the past they shout “All out” while everybody else is “All out” and guess who is left holding the bag yet again history only repeats itself. When earnings for companies no longer matter and we start to believe in lies coming out of secretive China and the white witch starts waving her beige book around something bad is setting up to happen.
Given the projected decline, how and where will the average American need to allocate AND
place what money the have to survive and prosper?
Larry R
I would concentrate on the survive part. Little guys like you and me have our nose pressed against the candy store window. The big boys win every time its a rigged game.
presently the united states is well over 19 trillion heading to 20 trillion in debt just on the national debt this debt represents a debt load of $59,503 DOLLARS per citizen the debt per taxpayer is $160,761 DOLLARS but this is debt has already been spent but the real problem is the unfunded liabilities which is soon to be $102 trillion DOLLARS this represents a liability per taxpayer of $850,006 DOLLARS …. and our external debt to GDP ratio is over 99.7 % what this is leading to is evident sooner or later and I have the feeling sooner than any of us want the complications of this debt burden will be felt not just here but globally . The world is awash in a sea of debt the economies of the world are shrinking because of this debt their is only 2 ways to deal with this debt cut spending and start austerity programs or devalue the currencys of the united states and the rest of the world neither one will end well so I think the correct word is what is the best way to SURVIVE ?????
I just re-read Jack London’s short story “To Build a Fire.” I’ll use it for my university ESL class. As the man in the story tries to re-start a fire that got smothered because the first fire he built was in a dangerous place, his increasing panic only lead him to ever riskier actions. He finally runs wild, trying to stimulate his failing circulation. He stumbles and falls several times and then falls asleep. The man dies in a reverie about an “old timer’s” shrewd warnings. As quantitative easing has failed to stimulate the doomed Central Banks’ ill-advised journey, we now see the negative interest rates freezing what little capital life is left. Doubtless, there will be an eventual fire, but it will be the worthless paper that has been issued along with the many financial dreams of people who ignored old-timers.
Really good post. Jim
too soon to tell if it will end here, but it could. more likely cheap oil will increase profit margins, which will increase s&p earnings. i expect to see one more up wave in the markets, followed by a recession. then i’ll worry about your scenario, but that may be a few years down the road.
The banking system has stacked the rules against the depositor much like Donald Trump percieves the GOP has stacked the rules against him. Maybe both scenerios are correct?
There is no logical reason for depositors/savers to put their money into a bank and pay for the priviledge of doing so. Likewise, there is no logical reason for an investor to purchase municipal bonds from insolvent, or soon to be insolvent governmental institutions! To cave in to the people who are stealing our money now by allowing those same people to push us into a cashless society is madness It is to surrender ourselves into unlimited taxation, eventual slavery and complete socialistic dependency upon the government!
All these central bankers have great economic credentials but no common sense.the only thing that will boost the economy is demand not stock buybacks or overseas investments. And the only class willing to create demand is the dwindling middle class who are reluctant to take risk and can’t spend because they can’t get a return on a safe investment. Put money in their hands and demand will follow.
economists never get rich, so why take finacial advice from them?
Deflation , more layoffs therefore more people on food stamps and making W M stores more crowded on F S day . . middle class being taxed the S O of them and Filthy and some Crooked Fat cats getting tax breaks and hiding their money in Uncle Sam Land .. . more money for the Fat cats More taxes for the middle class and the bums getting , most of them , lazier . . .
prepare for a Hard Landing
so sit in cash during deflation and buying power will increase. not so hard to deal with deflation.
You are all correct, but now let’s fast forward to the inevitable, only possible conclusion to all this. – The only real hedge individuals have against the looming failures / collapses of banks and currencies is to buy gold and silver / mining stocks right now while they’re still low because of the artificial beat-down over the last 5 years or more.
Keep Edelson’s warning in mind though. He says wait till the end of May to buy. Jim
may 2020 would be the right may, not may 2016.
Many young boys have had the notion to jump off the peak of the barn roof with a
deployed umbrella. Having no knowledge of aerodynamics and the constant of gravity
they are most often disappointed when contacting the earth with great force. This continues even in the modern age. Todays bonds are the umbrella and negative interest
rates represent gravity in economic form. Why, given these realities would anyone look
at a barn twice. You’re bound to get hurt if not killed. Reality check!
an add-on to the Milton Friedman Playbook is below Zero Interest Rates and Quantitative Easing (sounds like Haemeroid Cream) Money Printing. the `Masters of the Universe` have run out of `get rich quick` scams. the West can`t afford another 2008; no more TARPS. Citizens of Spain, Italy and Portugal are voting with their feet by moving to the UK.
Eurogroup`s non-stop devaluations of the Euro, to Gee-up the German Exports are not working. the PIIGS workers have given up on their ruler`s slavish Euro Corruption. the German DAC is trying to buy the London Stock Exchange to avoid the Eurozone Transactions Tax, and to enjoy London`s Tax Haven and Money-Laundering; even better if the UK leaves Europe.
Going from a Trickle-Down economy, to a Trickleless economy, to a Trickle-Up economy.
Is this inline with the End-Game? A few years prior to 2000, it is said that the 1 percent owned about 30 percent of the nation’s wealth. Recently, it is said that the 1 percent people now own about 50 percent. That’s about a 4 to 5 percent growth rate of ownership. If they are able to maintain this compounded growth rate of 4 to 5 percent, in about 20 years, they will own a 100 percent of the wealth of the nation. This means that the rest of the 99 percent will own zero percent in about 20 years. Owning 0 percent of the nation’s wealth may mean that the 99 percent of people will not even own the shirts on their backs. To take the last shirt off of the backs of people may take weird stuff like negative rates to enable the less than 1 percent to finally own 100 percent of everything. It is hard to imagine what the world will be like when almost everybody own absolutely nothing, but the math implies this.
Such a world will be weird like in the world of quantum mechanics. When the 99 percent own absolutely nothing, some one who has even a single dollar to his name will become part of the 1 percent. One has to try to get into the top fraction of 1 percent.
In a world where 99 percent own nothing criminal activity will be uncontrollable. Human life will be of little value to the 99 percent they would think they have nothing to lose anyway.
If corporations can borrow at negative rates, they can keep on paying dividends for decades or even centuries, and keep on inflating their stocks – but only if their borrowing rates continually get more negative every year. Eventually there must be a hyperdeflationary collapse, but it could be after the year 2100.
We are screwed! Its only a matter of time-tomorrow, 5 years? Doesn’t matter. S*it, everyone thought the system should have collapsed on its own weight already, but the bastards play a hell of a game to keep it shored up! When it finally does, powers that control the banking system will simply wipe the slate clean and make up a new set of rules/currency that we either revolt against militarily or accept poverty.
Here is a shocker Bill is right again. The fact is most investors lose a lot in the market and if they took money out from a bank to save money and they realize that loses in the market also hurt them a lot in a bad economy, they may not invest either. The system that makes money off better information and time and tricks (?) will not like it; if the little person does not transfer their small wealth over to them with their advantage, and after the rich with perks and their wasteful bets against the super rich, and with all others controlled by the super rich, there is no way companies will do any more to improve and produce income through products and services no longer invested in will do well with loans they cannot pay back. This translates to a falling economy as money leaves the market due to the big boys waiting for cheap stocks with both speculator’s or shorter giving up after the bottom hits with no real earnings.
the desperate vying for stock and when it falls hard even the rich will not buy when someone points out it will take a long time without future buyers and investment in earnings to bring back a good economy without the super rich doing something to make it happen and they invested in reaping instead of sowing in the economy. They will be the last men standing.
You told us what is happening – now tell us what we should be doing about it!
May I point to the Bible and Jesus’ words in Luke 16:9 ” Make friends of the mammon of unrighteousness”, which is physical “fiat paper money” that when it fails……Not if it fails, but WHEN IT FAILS. It will be Hyperinflation like Germany in the 1920s. Money will be worth-less.
I own some Gold but as with any asset who is going to buy it at what price? Will the government impound it or prevent sales? It didn’t seem to help the Weimar Germans. I’m not smart enough to know the answers but these things raise question marks to me at least.
Your comments on Volkswagen bonuses make me laugh. After the criminal acts they have performed throw them all in jail. Do they make any comments about fixing the problem they have caused no its only about they precious bonuses. They deserve nothing. Off to the gaol with the lot of them.
Fear not problem, the problem is the solution of all level of people , all the nation living under nature rule
The day is coming when the bulk of tax revenues and the federal budge will go toward paying interest on sovereign debt. The quicker they raise rates the sooner that day comes.