Larry Edelson and Martin Weiss, 1998 |
As I presume you know by now, Larry Edelson passed away on March 2, leaving all of us in shock and mourning.
But this past week, I had the privilege of spending quality time with Larry’s cycle forecasting protégé, Mike Burnick.
Mike has worked closely with Larry since he joined our firm nearly two decades ago. He is steeped in cycle analysis. And he has used it to make an important contribution to the team’s amazingly accurate forecasts, especially regarding gold and stocks.
Gold Forecasts
October – November, 1999: “19-year bear market in gold is OVER. Finished, Kaput. We’re entering a bull market the likes of which you haven’t seen since the great glory days for gold in the 1970s. But don’t expect gold to shoot straight up. There are bound to be pullbacks, especially during the early stages.” Shortly thereafter, they warn gold will slide to the $250 level before beginning its long-term rise.
The price of gold hits rock bottom at $255, and moves up from there. It ultimately reaches an all-time peak of $1,921 in 2011.
November 2000: Major new “buy” signal for gold and gold shares. “Start scooping up bullion coins and … mining shares.”
Result: Investors acting on this signal have the opportunity to buy gold-mining shares close to their lowest prices in decades.
August 2011: Major “sell” signal for gold and gold shares.
Result: Between their buy signal of 2000 and their sell signal of 2011, investors have the chance to make a total return of 850% on Agnico Eagle, 878% on Kinross, 1,059% on Newcrest, 1,248% on Goldcorp and 2,958% on Royal Gold.
May 2016. “More and more investors will get trapped in the precious metals’ first leg up … And those investors will be badly crushed under tens of billions of losses when gold, silver, platinum, palladium — and especially mining shares — collapse back down to near their record lows of late last year.”
Result: At first, as gold continues to move higher, their subscribers are frustrated with this forecast. But beginning in early July, the price of gold sinks by $200 per ounce, providing a much better buying opportunity, and subscribers cheer.
Stock Market Forecasts
April 2012. “The Dow Jones average will hit 20,000 by the year 2016.”
At the time, the Dow is trading near 13,000. In Europe, a major sovereign debt crisis rages. In the U.S., pundits are deeply concerned about “the weakest economic recovery in history.” Even friends and family say Dow 20,000 is “unbelievable.” But four years and eight months later, on December 20 of last year, the Dow hits an intraday high of 19,988, just 12 points below their target of 20,000. And on January 25, 2017, just a few weeks beyond the target year, the Dow bursts through the 20,000 barrier.
Moreover, they don’t make this forecast just once. They repeat it in March 2013, June 2013, October 2013, December 2013 and every year thereafter.
Nor do just a handful of people see it. The original forecast of Dow 20,000 by 2016 is sent to 392,140 subscribers to Money and Markets, 37,291 subscribers to Real Wealth Report, and at least two million investors who receive the same forecast via advertisements in the mail and on the Web.
They are equally accurate in timing and predicting stock market crashes going all the way back to Larry’s forecast of the Crash of 1987!
How do you do it?
So as you may suspect, when I met with Mike last week, my obvious and urgent question was “precisely how did you do it?”
Mike Burnick and Larry Edelson, 2003 |
“I assume you’re referring to ‘you’ in the plural,” he responded, “because I cannot take more than my share of the credit. Larry was the one who taught me cycles analysis and who was our mentor throughout these years. But before I answer your question, may I ask you one of my own? March 2017 is a major anniversary that no one seems to be talking about. Care to guess why it was so important?”
“Because it’s the eight-year anniversary of this bull market, which began in March of 2009?”
“Well yes, that too,” Mike said with a chuckle. “But what I’m referring to is something that happened on March 11, 2011. This week is the six-year anniversary of the great tsunami that struck Northeast Japan. It came on the heels of a massive 9.1 undersea earthquake, the most powerful earthquake ever recorded in Japan. It triggered a tremendous wave of up to 133 feet. That’s 12 stories high! Imagine how it felt to confront a mass of water as tall as a 12-floor building coming straight at you! Imagine the destruction in its wake!”
I was silent for a moment, recalling the horror I felt that morning when I first saw the headline in the Los Angeles Times, and immediately thought about our son, Anthony, who lives in Tokyo. Thankfully, I soon discovered that Anthony was not among the victims because, coincidentally, that same L.A. Times story included a statement from the first American witness quoted from Japan, Anthony Weiss.
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“How does that relate to our topic today?” I asked as I exited my daydream.
“It’s a perfect metaphor for our forecasting methodology,” Mike responded. “We track the great cyclical waves of history, and right now, the biggest, most enduring, consequence of those cycles is the Global Money Tsunami — the massive waves of flight capital from overseas that are driving our market higher. You know that. We write about it all the time. But now let me tell you about the powerful cyclical forces behind that tsunami.”
“That’s exactly what I want to talk about.”
While pulling out a series of charts stretching back for decades (and in one case, for centuries!), Mike promptly proceeded to rattle off four major cycles with a high level of precision and certainty:
The Kondratieff wave (K-wave), ranging from 40 to 60 years. Close students of this cycle could have foreseen, well ahead of time …
- A decline in the 1860s and a bottom in the 1870s, accurately predicting the economic crisis surrounding the U.S. Civil War and Reconstruction.
- A rise into the late 1800s and early 1900s, accurately forecasting America’s Gilded Age.
- A peak in the 1920s, predicting the great bull market of the Roaring ’20s.
- A big bottom in the 1930s, predicting the Great Depression. Plus, more recently …
- Another big bottom in the 2000s, predicting the 2000-03 Tech Wreck, 2008 Debt Crisis and Great Recession.
- A steep rise beginning in 2009, clearly showing the path toward today’s 8-year bull market (so far), AND predicting a continuing bull market through approximately 2020.
Juglar and Kuznets cycles, approximately 9- and 18-year cycles, respectively. Again, those following these cycles could have foreseen …
- A panic bottom in the stock market in 1932.
- A decline in the U.S. economy and stock market in the early 1950s (associated with the Korean War).
- The stock market decline and recession resulting from the Nixon Shock of 1971 and Arab Oil Embargo of 1973.
- The stock market crash of 1987 (which we predicted practically to the day) and the Russian debt default crisis of 1989.
- The crises of 2007-2009, and …
- The current bull market in stocks, projected to continue until 2020 or possibly longer.
Cycle of Innovation, the 50-year cycle of business innovation discovered by Joseph Schumpeter. Predicts periods of “creative disruption” and entrepreneurship, along with political upheavals that can often accompany rapid technological change. Cycle is now still very high and holding, but targeting a bottom after 2020.
War Cycle, ramping up through 2020. Not just armed battles, but also trade wars, currency wars, and cyberwars. Not merely between nations, but also domestic civil unrest, revolutions and escalating repression or asset confiscation by governments against their citizens.
“Anyone who truly knows cycles,” Mike concluded, “should be well versed in precisely when these are likely to peak and bottom. However, what many cycle analysts don’t know so well is two things: How to track them closely to determine when they may be hitting somewhat earlier or later than originally projected. And most important of all, how, during very rare historical periods like today’s, these cycles can CONVERGE into one time and place.”
“Convergence! That’s where Larry and team really hit a home run, isn’t it?” I asked.
“Yes, it certainly is. And in this decade, we have the most powerful convergence of the cycles since the 1930s. I say that not to focus on the Great Depression, but rather to focus on the massive up-wave that ensued after the Great Depression and World War II. It started in gold. Then came the postwar boom in stocks. And finally, the greatest bull market and economic expansion in all human history. Not without big recessions and disasters in-between, of course. But in hindsight, all of those — especially the stock market crashes of 1987, 2000-2003 and 2008 — were historic buying opportunities. What’s most important of all is that, with the foresight that careful cycle analysis can give you, all of those cycle bottoms were predictable and predicted.”
Mike and I were silent as we reflected on the enormity of these historical forces and the important contribution Larry Edelson made to the world by helping to bring them to light. “Now that Larry is gone,” I queried, “what is your vision going forward? What are your forecasts for the next few years?”
“The same vision as before. The same forecasts we have already published repeatedly, from the same exact body of knowledge: The long-term cycles I’ve just told you about, seen through Larry’s telescopic lens that I’ve inherited, for which I will be forever grateful.”
“Don’t understate your own analytical powers,” I cautioned.
“Thank you for that. But you asked for our forecasts. The first forecast is that gold will surge to $5,000 per ounce, or higher. In the current phase of that bull move, it’s driven primarily by the same global money tsunami we discussed at the outset. That comes with both ebbs and flows. So beware of corrections, such as the one that just started last month. But this will be a wonderful long-term buying opportunity. That’s because, as inflation picks up steam, the latter stages of the move in gold could be parabolic, much as you saw in the late 1970s, when the price of gold doubled in just one year.
“Forecast number two: The Dow will explode to 45,000. I know that may sound unbelievable. But in 1999, we saw the Nasdaq double in just one year. And the time frame we’re talking about is much longer than that. If we didn’t know better, we’d throw our hats in the ring with all those pundits who still say the economy is not strong enough and interest rates are rising, so the Dow must crash. But, if you understand the four cycles we talked about … if you understand the Global Money Tsunami that will flow to the U.S. from a sinking Europe and later, a sinking Japan … you will also understand how to make a fortune over the next few years with select stocks that deliver life-changing profits.
“Forecast number three: Sovereign bond market will collapse. And that collapse will emerge as another driver of funds that rush into stocks. Why? Because solid private-sector assets, such as the shares of U.S.-based blue-chip companies, will actually be seen as safer than bonds. Because the governments of Europe, Japan and, ultimately, the U.S. are essentially bankrupt. There’s simply no way they’ll ever make good on their outstanding debts — not to mention their promises for retirement pensions (such as Social Security), healthcare, and more.
“Forecast number four is the collapse of the European Union and the euro. Many think the European Union will survive. Many hope that, because Germany’s economy is hanging in there, the European sovereign debt crisis is done and over. That view is dead wrong. That’s why we have long predicted that the biggest surprise of all will be not only the decline, but also the demise of the EU and the euro. Now, as you can plainly see, that day is much closer.
“Hitch your wagon to these cycles, and you will win. Ignore them, fight them, or simply drop out, and you will lose. I’m all in. I trust you are too.”
I thanked Mike for sharing these insights. He promised to provide many more in the weeks to come.
Good luck and God bless!
Martin
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My condolences to Larry’s family. This is the first I heard.
Dear Martin,
Since tragic & untimely death of Larry, it is comforting to hear from you. For me you have always been the bigger half of due Martin & Larry.
Now investments in Gold Millionaire bought with Larry are still in my account & am looking for the news about the person, who will lead us.
Kindest regards,
Samuel
Hi Samuel,
Mike will lead Gold Mining Millionaire, with Lead Analyst David Dutkewych providing support.
Look for an issue this week discussing strategy and recommendations.
I have seen nothing about the passing of Larry Edelson & it comes as quite as shock, he appeared to be young. My condolences to his family & friends. Will there be some announcement from the Weiss group & what is the future of Real Wealth going forward.
Hi Harry,
Yes, look for a new Real Wealth issue this week.
My thoughts are with you all, on you loss.
This all makes me feel like the children’s fairy tale. About the sky is falling.
Do you still expect a correction in the Dow before it really starts up?
Remember… “this all comes with ebbs and flows”
I value your insight for my investment goals.
Please continue sending info on the cycles with updates. Larrry E. was the best and I hope someone(s) continue(s) in his footsteps.
Right as these cycle analyses may have been in the past and may be in the future, it’s easy to predict things like “gold will go to $5,000 in the long term as inflation flares…”. You can never be wrong, because if you’re wrong, you just say it hasn’t been long enough yet, and you warned of ups and downs along the way. So will gold hit $5000 by 2020? No one knows. But heavy inflation seems unlikely, as the Fed is prepared to raise interest rates, as necessary, to halt inflation (not to mention that the $ is the reserve currency, and will still be so in 2020). Same for the Dow going to $45000 (up from Larry’s $31000 projection). Then you speak of down cycles after 2020; again, unfettered by specifics that could trip you up. You’re just the inverse of Mr. Doom & Gloom, Marc Faber.
Martin (and Mike),
With the untimely passing of Larry (which I am still in shock and mourning over) do you foresee producing a report over the coming weeks of Larry’s AI model forecast for gold and silver for remainder of 2017. I imagine many of Larry’s subscribers are in need of timely guidance for navigating the twists and turns of these markets, leading to the ultimate $5k projection for gold and $125 for silver.
Appreciate your feedback.
Chris Hoffman
I could not agree more about receiving the timely guidances.
John Kemp
Hi Chris, we update these weekly on the Gold Mining Millionaire website, and regularly elsewhere, but usually with a time horizon of 4 to 5 months out.
stocks go up, gold will go down. this has been going on longer than any of us have been on this earth. i’m still short gold since 2011. until we have a recession, gold is toast.
I think that this is a good idea.
Most members of Real Wealth Report are in shock with the demise of Larry. Most of us considered him a dear friend. I have been a member of his Real Wealth Report for years. I am now worried as to what is in store of us now that he is gone. I will be watching closely how Mike goes forward with the Report. I wish him luck. I am retired and need the Report to supplement my income.
Thank You for your predictions. That said, historically, the stock market has done poorly under Conservative (currently called Republican) Presidents and even worse with Conservative Majority Congresses.
Proof: From 1929-2012 there were about the same number of both Conservative and Liberal Progressive (currently called Democrat) Presidents. During that time period, $10,000 invested in the SPX, in ONLY Republican Administrations, would have only grown to about $12,000. The same amount invested in the SPX, in ONLY Democrat Administrations, would have grown to about $375,000. If carried forward to the present day, those differences would have been even greater.
Further, BOTH Great Financial Panics and Stock Market Crashes (1929-1932 and 2007-2009) happened during Conservative Presidencies with Conservative Majority Congresses.
With about 83 years in this study period, would you have us believe that it is going to “be different this time”?
Incidentally, this study was presented in the New York Times a number of years ago and was entitled “Poor Dumb Rich Guys”…..
EAGLE495………………The New York Times, like so many other big mouthed, tiny brained and uneducated clowns are dumbified by the Repub and Dem presidents terms vs the stock market. Always favoring the democrats. WHY ???
The TRUTH of the matter is that the GOOD that the Republican president does carries into the Democrats term. And the BAD that the Democrat president does carries into the Republicans term.
I read an article on this about 5-years ago that gave solid evidence and facts to prove this to be true. Wish I had printed it. Republicans spend half their term fixing the Democrats agenda and the other half invoking theirs which benefit the next president.
So the uneducated Democrat takes credit when things go well. Example…Clinton.
Bob
Bob,
“America does best when ALL Americans do better”. That happens during periods of Democratic leadership. Look up “Income Inequity” and the “Velocity of Money”…. Income Inequity comes down and the Velocity of Money goes up and, in turn, the economy improves during periods of Democratic Leadership….. Unless you are a multi Millionaire or a Billionaire, you don’t do as well under Republican Domination…. Really… Look it up….
You do realize the parties in the 30s are nothing like the parties today.
Not true. The Liberal Progressives have ALWAYS been the party of the people…. Study history….
History shows you couldn’t be more WRONG. Jim Crow laws etc. etc. etc.
Martin: So sorry and saddened to hear of the passing of Larry Edelson. Thank you for your continued perspective and analysis of fiscal cycles and strategies. Some of my own active protective strategies have been very much validated by your perspective. The current state of news spin cycle is making me feel quite cross eyed, and cynical about everything I hear news wise and brought me to a state of believing nothing I hear, but thinking for myself and my own analytical slice of reality. The times are more hardball than ever with technology sophistication and dependency making us every so vulnerable. Some well aimed cyber attack could collapse everything. I believe in tangible assets, plenty of cash, and don’t have more in any investment market of stocks, bonds, etc than you are willing to lose… and I’m enjoying my retreat/ home in Costa Rica, an investment I think you would heartily approve. And, I really enjoy your writing style. Kind regards. CW
I am 77 years old, and a believer in your forecasts. I am not rich, but confident that I will be comfortable, and will leave my children with enough money, to be comfortable themselves. God does take care of us, by giving us positive people, like you and The late Larry!!!! Thank you.
Condolences to his family. I just lost a close family member myself so I understand what Larry’s friends & family must be feeling.
Does anyone know what Larry’s health issue was?
Does this mean that if you have bond stocks they should be sold now?
Also–when gold goes to $5000 an ounce…we should sell some..or will we need it to live on if the $1.oo crashes?
Larry was a gold bug. That means we now shud wait for the fuigure four not 5000 square up whenever it reaches 4k instead of 5. Cos the mastermind guru has aboded heavenly himself 4000 sell all. Once it touches let it 5000 we will not mind
Mike,
I’m definitely positive on your helping me through this quagmire of very different environments that have been created and are being created by our politicians and society’s great changes.
Looking forward to your help.
Martin,
I completely agree with the power of cycles, and their significance/ leverage when they converge. What seems to be missing from Larry’s/ your analysis, however, is the impact of generational buying power on economic cycles. The largest impact on economies is the spending, expenses, and employment realities of people–and we know there are generational cycles, in particular the unique wave of the baby boom generation in the U.S. As Harry Dent points out, THAT cycle is in its downturn. Just as the baby boom’s spending wave drove the economy from the 80’s through the early 2000’s, it is petering out now, and won’t be replaced by the Millenials’ spending until early 2020’s (albeit to a smaller degree).
It appears that Larry and Harry were agreed on several points, including the power of cycles to predict the future of markets. But here’s my question: Is the only difference between their analyses that Larry was convinced that the Eurozone and Japan would collapse, leading to an inevitable inflow of investments into the “safest” markets (U.S.), artificially fueling stock prices DESPITE the inevitability of global economic re-setting?
If so, what if the Eurozone does not collapse? What factors indicate that such an outcome is any more inevitable than US markets collapsing under the weight of the current massive bubble we’re in?
Looking forward to this question being addressed in an upcoming bulletin,
John Roberts
OK, we all know that sovereign bonds are worthless. When governments are no longer able to finance their operations they collapse, just as over-leveraged companies do. The big $64 million question here is, what will replace the collapsed government? We have Venezuela as a model. Will the people beg for a well-managed corporation to step in and take over? Will Wall Street rule Main Street? I believe that this is a question that should be asked, and answered sooner rather than later.
larry, we will meet again
WOW……..I’m not a subscriber but read Larry’s postings for some time now.
This news blew me away this morning.
Our greed to make money makes one think whether we should be spending so much time on following the market rather than just being happy and satisfied with what we have and spending more time with looking after our health and taking the time out to spend with love one’s. My condolences to Larry’s family.
Gold, Will it ever rise as has been predicted for years while , in reality, it has gone down, losing from 1/3 to 1/2 ! I have taken my losses & now am poorer under the believers.
Larry wrote in the RWR that Dow will be down around 17500-18000 before entering the capital flow sunami.
You still think so OR NOT
I was deeply saddened to learn of Larry’s passing last week. My condolences to his family and friends. Larry always made me feel that I was in touch with the future of my portfolio. He will be dearly missed.
What is the SDR currency is that the new currency were going to be using forward
I am very shocked to learn of the passing away of Larry Edelson. I underestand if you don,t wish to disclose the health issues of Larry. I valued his insight into world economic events and cycles . May I wish his family “a long life”
Condolences to all. Thanks to you and Larry, I missed the dot com bust and went double negative in 11/07 and got out in 2/09. Be well,
Really shocked about Larry’s passing. So sad. I hope Mike will be able to fill the loss. I’ve been a subscriber to Larry’s Real Wealth for many years and plan to continue with Mike for the time being. As Martin always says, “Good Luck and God Bless!”
Roz
I am so sorry with the loss of Larry. I will miss him. My condolences to his family
Great, great and great Larry, I will miss you!!!! RIP
Condolences to Larry’s family and friends and Weiss Research. Am truly saddened !
What is your target interest rate for the U.S. Treasury 20 year bond by the end of 2017? By the end of 2018?
Heart broken to hear of Larry’s sudden passing! We’ve a great and compassionate friend. Our prayers continue for his family and dear friends: which includes all you fine folksðŸ™
Let’s pray that this touching loss will bring us all closer to the “Real Wealth” Jesus Christ spoke of as He prayed to His Father God (and ours) in John 17:3 “And this is Eternal Life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
my condolences to larry’s friends and family. larry was a special guy and the world won’t be the same without him. larry left a big void that no one can fill. r.i.p., buddy.
FROM 2006 -2011 ALL THE BIG MONEY WENT IN GOLD AND SILVER (EFT) NOT MINING SHARES , HELL I WAS THERE YOU LOST MONEY IN SHARES … EVERY LITTLE PULL BACK IN GOLD WAS A 3-6 % HIT ON SHARES YOU LOST BIG TIME..HELL I WAS THERE……………
Very sorry to hear of Larry’s early passing; I have been a subscriber to Real Wealth back when gold was around $250 an ounce. Larry will be greatly missed by friends, family, and his loyal subscribers.
Nothing profound here, but I was simply shocked to learn of Larry Edelson’s passing.
Followed Larry’s articals for some time with great interest. Shocked to hear he has passed but really sorry that he will not be around to see his forcasts come to fruition. My condolences to his family….Chris
How old was Larry when he passed?
Larry was a true “breath of fresh air” when it came to the markets. I hope Mike was a great under-study to continue the valuable work Larry pioneered. His departure is a huge blow to all, but must remind us of the “short parade” in which we walk, day-to-day. Good luck Mike & RIP Larry!! You will be sorely missed.
62 years old, according to the obit.
I’m saddened by Larry’s passing. A firm believer in gold & silver and, a student of history myself, I’ll miss Larry’s weekly reports and key predictions. He was a 21st century visionary, a modern day Nostradamus. I personally believe, at one point in not so distant future, all paper money ought to be converted into gold/silver. History will repeat itself, without a doubt.
Hi Lary very good man I am very sory.
Martin,
You have mentioned in your e-mails Wayne Burritt and Mike Burnick. So, who will be taking over the helm at Real Wealth?
Thanks
I am shocked and saddened by Larry’s passing, my condolesences to his family. Larry always had great insight and tactfulness. He had a beautiful mind like other great financial analysts. You can’t put a young head on old shoulders. God Bless your other analysts.
Dr.
Your world views in combination with your historical perspective makes you unique and very interesting to read. Thanks for your insite
Chip Wood
What a shock to hear poor Larry has gone. Always listened to his opinions on a diverse range of issues even though I live in the UK. Very sad time.
I would think that a collapse of the Euro would support a strong dollar. A strong dollar is deflationary, not inflationary. If the dollar is strong, doesn’t it follow that things looked at in dollar terms (such as US stocks and gold) would have weak prices, not strong? Or are you saying that the dollar itself will be strong, but money will flow into things denominated in dollars, which will be stronger yet, even in dollar terms?
I was amazed to learn that Larry has passed away at the age of only 62. I always looked forward to reading his comments and prophecies. I’ve passed the 80 mark and looking back I see all the errors of our ways.
History always repeats itself and Larry (and Martin) are among the few who could see it.
Hello Martin..
I am so sorry about Larry’s death.My sinceres condoleances to Larry’s family, and to all all you in the office.Larry was one of the best and such an interesting read. Sincerely.
Henry Loiseau
My condolences to Larry’s family I did not know . Sure going to miss him. Have his gold and silver charts. Sorry, Eugene Taylor
Larry was far too young to pass away. One of life’s good guys. I always found his articles really interesting and inspiring. Especially the reports he put together on the Kuznets cycles the courses of human history. He was only a human being but he taught me about leveraged exchange traded funds, unleveraged exchange traded funds, mining stock, futures and options. Call options and put options. Larry others will continue your great work.
In God we trust,not the Government,and whom does the money belong to??? This may sound stupid,but I fear they will take what they want, no matter where its at.
I was saddened to find out today the first day of Spring Larry’s passing. I read his published ideas over the past 10 years and always enjoyed his bright smiling face. His photos reflected the man he was generous and wise never miss leading and reasoning. I will miss him even though we never met in person, I feel a kinship with him through his thoughts shared about the world and economics of investing. My applause to the man’s life well lived and my compassion to the familiy and friends who will surely miss him. Peace be strong everyone.
Friends: Here’s a contrary view, I believe. Reality: Don’t fight the Fed. They along with other Central Banks and large commercial banks need to keep gold down and under control for economic, policy and financial reasons. More so than every before, and they have the means to do so, resources and ability to coordinate on a seconds notice. They need stable currencies with good value and the dollar to be stable and strong. Gold is the key clearing money/commodity everyone understands. They will use anything to do that including derrivities and stock market. Don’t expect gold to go any ware.