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Money and Markets: Investing Insights

Greece Says “Oxi” (No) to European Austerity; So What Happens Now?

Mike Larson | Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:20 pm

Market Roundup
Dow -46.53 to 17,683.58
S&P -8.02 to 2,068.76
NASDAQ -17.48 to 4,991.73
10-YR Yield -0.115 to 2.278%
Gold +$4.70 to $1,168.20
Oil -$4.07 to $52.85

Oxi.

No.

That was the result of yesterday’s referendum in Greece, which officially just referred to Europe’s most recent bailout proposal. But unofficially, the resounding “No” refers to so much more. Germany’s “Austerity First” approach. Five years of deepening economic recession. Membership in the euro currency itself.

It’s no surprise, then, that markets worldwide got blasted overnight and earlier today. Dow futures plunged by more than 200 points (before recovering to down 50-ish by the close) … the euro currency and interest rates tumbled … and commodities got spanked across the board.

So the most important, logical question is: “What happens now?” Here are my answers:

First, the leaders of France and Germany met today in Paris to discuss where to go next and to come up with a unified negotiating position.

That meeting preceded an emergency summit of all European leaders tomorrow. In advance of that gathering, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has basically told Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras: “Your move” – saying it’s up to him to offer a new debt relief proposal.

Second, in Greece, the combative finance minister Yanis Varoufakis resigned – broomed by Tsipras for being too combative.

Will Greece stop using the euro?

Banks are rapidly running out of cash, with some ATMs reportedly dispensing even fewer or no euro notes at all. That’s because the Greek banking system went into the weekend with a cushion of only 1 billion euros – and the European Central Bank refused to increase the amount of emergency aid it will provide again today.

So it comes as little surprise that the existing program of capital controls and the ongoing bank holiday has been extended for even longer through at least Wednesday (and likely much longer!). Pharmacies are running short of medicine, and worries are growing that tourists will start shunning Greece in greater numbers. That would cut off one last major source of foreign money the Greece has been relying on.

Third, Greece’s financial situation is worsening by the day. Analysts estimate any new bailout program may need to be $20 billion to $30 billion larger now than it would have been a few months ago, given the further deterioration in the economy and banking sector.

European power brokers don’t want to concede and give Athens the massive debt write-offs it wants out of fear that will only encourage other indebted nations to demand the same thing. But if they keep dithering and fail to stem the bleeding soon, the costs of a fresh deal will keep spiraling higher. After all, as the Wall Street Journal notes …

“As the euro shortage drags on, the government in Athens likely will be unable to pay its external creditors. Ordinary Greeks won’t pay taxes, rent or credit-card bills to keep the euros they have. The government will be forced to pay its internal obligations through scrip — in effect, checks promising a future payment in euros.”

“European power brokers don’t want to concede.”

That last point is the most important. The vote significantly increases the chance of a Grexit from the euro currency union. The country already missed a 1.6 billion euro debt payment to the International Monetary Fund, and it owes the ECB 3.5 billion euros on July 20.

There’s no way in you-know-where Greece can pay that, at least not in full face value euros. So it may need to start issuing massive amounts of IOUs, roll out a new parallel currency, or re-denominate its debts in a new drachma currency.

We keep being told by the powers-that-be in Europe not to worry about that event. They say the losses will largely be borne by public institutions like the ECB and European governments rather than private banks and investors, cushioning the blow.

But isn’t that kind of like how former Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told us the subprime crisis was “well-contained”? We all know how that wonderful advice worked out.

Bottom line: I’ve been paring down some risk and raising cash for a little while now, thanks to the increased risk of significant market turmoil. We’re trading at key levels in many markets, and depending on whether those levels hold or fold, it may be time to raise even more.

In the meantime, stick with super-cheap stocks and stocks in sectors and markets that either A) have nothing to do with Greece or B) should actually benefit from capital flight away from troubled countries and toward stronger ones!

So what are your thoughts? What do you think the Greek “no” vote means – for U.S. markets and the stocks you hold? Is this the start of a new bear market … or is all that money fleeing Europe likely to land on our shores as a relatively safety move? How should (or will) policymakers respond to the heightened volatility?

Here’s the link to the Money and Markets website. Please share your thoughts ASAP.

Our Readers Speak

Events are happening fast in Europe and in the global markets. But I wanted to quickly touch on some of the comments that came in over the holiday weekend in response to my piece on the June jobs numbers.

Reader Richard blamed the policies pursued by the Obama administration for ongoing lackluster growth. His take: “It was demonstrated twice that money given to the consumers gives a 2 1/2 multiplier effect, which is not available if the money is given to the producers. The President’s policies are holding us in the recession. His misapplication of the TARP fund allowed us to crash. He is the actor that is killing us.”

Reader Patrick T. also said we need to enact new policies to get the economy on track. His view: “We need to do several things that aren’t going to fly with the Obama administration. First, is to lower the corporate tax rate to 15%. With corporate tax rates at 40%, the highest in the world, our corporations are punished for making a profit. If the tax rate was lowered to 15%, we would see a lot more investment that could fuel job creation enormously.

“Second, regulations are killing our companies. As if Obamacare is not enough, now Obama has the EPA destroying the coal industry with their ridiculous regulations to stop the hoax called global warming. Third, the Arctic and Continental Shelf need to be opened for oil drilling. Also, government lands with huge oil deposits need to be opened for drilling. Energy independence is a national security interest.”

The problem according to Reader Bruce, however, is that we can’t even trust the economic numbers we do get. And the response from the Federal Reserve and the rest Washington to those numbers has been wholly inadequate. His comments:

“The government figures lie, except for a few. Unemployment numbers are a sham since after receiving unemployment benefits to the max, they drop out of the numbers, and that’s reflected in the lowest labor participation rates in about 40 years. Include the latest assault on small business just announced, and you have the formula for more anemic job growth.

“All in all, and after squandering $18 trillion, the ‘money printers’ have terribly little to show for it, and we’re in debt up to our eyeballs … forever. Pity the middle class, the poor suckers who work hard, save their money and wind up supporting the ‘other’ 50% of the labor force. It’s European Socialism.”

Clearly, we’d all like to see better economic growth here in the U.S. – but there’s a lot of disagreement about how to get it. So the best we can all do is navigate the choppy waters via safer, prudent investments designed to prosper despite Washington policies, not because of them.

Any other thoughts I didn’t cover adequately here? Then tell me about them over at the website here.

Other Developments of the Day

BulletChinese shares have shed a whopping $2.4 trillion in value just in the past few weeks, a decline that spurred the government into action over the weekend. Propaganda pieces in major media outlets urged investors to stay calm and buy shares. The central bank established an indirect liquidity program to provide money to brokerages to buy shares.

Several major mutual funds and state-backed funds said they would buy as well. Plus, IPOs of new companies have been suspended. The efforts helped Chinese markets rally, but not by as much as the government likely expected.

BulletAs if we didn’t have enough crises to deal with, the Iran-U.S. nuclear negotiations have now run well past their June 30 deadline – with no deal yet signed. I’ve heard a lot of happy talk about how negotiators are getting close, but obviously no results as we head into a pivotal week for the Vienna talks. If nothing is signed by Thursday, it doubles the review period that Congress gets for any compact to 60 days from 30.

BulletWhat a victory for the U.S.A. women, huh? I was thrilled to see the national soccer team play so well against Japan right out of the gate, and to keep the pressure on for the full match. The 5-2 result was the first Women’s World Cup victory for the U.S. since 1999, and the third overall.

So what do you think of the Chinese market turmoil, the Iranian negotiations, or the thrilling soccer victory? Let me know over at the website  when you get a minute.

Until next time,

Mike Larson

 

Mike Larson

Mike Larson graduated from Boston University with a B.S. degree in Journalism and a B.A. degree in English in 1998, and went to work for Bankrate.com. There, he learned the mortgage and interest rates markets inside and out. Mike then joined Weiss Research in 2001. He is the editor of Safe Money Report. He is often quoted by the Washington Post, Reuters, Dow Jones Newswires, Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Post and Sun-Sentinel, and he has appeared on CNN, Bloomberg Television and CNBC.

{ 48 comments }

Billy Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:59 pm

Hi Mike,

Looks like the perfect storm is about to get going as we see major problems with Greece and by extension, the European Sovereign Debt Crisis, the Ukraine Crisis, the MASSIVE Chinese Real Estate Bubble and now a major correction in their capital markets, not to mention the South Seas Geo-Political Crisis, the Middle East etc..etc..etc..All roads point to a MASSIVE DEBT BUBBLE (AKA Bond Bubble) that seems ready to burst as well…

YEN Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:02 pm

We are both same 42

Dave G Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:05 pm

Mike,

I’m here on Vancouver Island, not far from where the Women’s World Cup was
played at BC Place in Vancouver. I just want to say that the USA team was –
fantastic!!! I watched most of the games in the tournament, and was very happy
with the level of play throughout. But the level of refereeing (IMO) needs some serious
work… wish FIFA would adopt/upgrade rules to permit some video review!

Love your commentaries.

Dave G

H. Craig Bradley Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:10 pm

GREECE FED-UP WITH BRUSSELS

Greeks are fed-up with the European Union and Austerity. This is the opportunity of a lifetime for some consortium of countries, be it BRICS or a non-western entity to pay-off Greek Sovereign debt and get them going with a different Currency. It could be the Yuan or the Drachma. Once Greece leaves Europe, they also leave NATO.

Turkey is already functionally not part of NATO operations. Turkey is simply a NATO member but only in a nominal manner. Economic weakness or crisis is the opportunity for Russia, China, or another country to bring Greece into their orbit and out of the U.S. And European alliance.

I expect Russia and/or China to attempt to woo Greece into a financial alliance of some sort. Greece could imply they have solid offers to join-up with China as a bargaining chip to get better terms ( bigger haircut for European Greek debt holders. Either way, Greece wins in the end, or they just walk. Nothing to lose either way at this point.

Frank Monday, July 6, 2015 at 6:28 pm

Hi, Craig : Your evaluation of the Greek situation is pure bunk …let us say if you would be one of the contributors to this Greek disaster and you stand to lose 240 billion euro’s what is your real feeling about that ……come on wake up…either you are ignorant or have no idea how often the Greeks have ignored the EU alert to stop spending like a drunken sailor & never ever pay back a penny? How long do you think the USA would continue to back such economic disaster governments as EC did for the last 5 years !!

Wake up and talk some sense before you are labeled a dingo or worse. Do you honestly believe that these guys are ever serious or have enough character to deliver the truth …..you have to be pretty silly and a rank amateur to ever rely on their promises ….remember the century old saying :: BEWARE OF GREEKS BRINGING GIFTS ” I hope Europe will not spent another Euro on these guys until they pay what is due ….Unless you are a Greek who lives by the same rules of conduct.!!!
I also hope they will join either Russia or China , because they will not be so kind & understanding as Europe has demonstrated time & time again …this is it !!
My last advise to you is start thinking & acting your age otherwise people will not listen to your nonsense ever again!!

Chuck Burton Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm

Russia and China will doubtless try to take advantage of the Greek situation in some way, but they need to be careful. If they offer too much support to Greece, they will have to deal with Italy, Spain, Portugal and perhaps others seeking gifts and support. That old saying might better read, “Beware of Greeks SEEKING gifts.”
What seems obvious is that the ECB and probably the Euro is in big trouble. Their days may be numbered, and their failure may well bring down NATO.

Sohail Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:14 pm

Well I thought all along that a deal would be done and the can would be kicked down the road but now there s very little time left , do unless a deZl U.S. Done within say 72 hours it looks like a Greek exit is on the cards.
The euro is a flawed currency.

Sandra Simmons Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:21 pm

Regarding the Chinese market, the chatter on the internet is picking up about the Chinese Yuan (Renminbi) being added to the basket of reserve currencies at the October 2015 IMF meeting. How likely is it that it will be added in October, and if that happens, how will it affect the value of the US Dollar, and how fast? Should we be worried about the US Dollar, and thus our investments, losing a lot of their value? Will Chinese stocks and bonds take off to the upside if they gain reserve currency status? Is it prudent to invest in China’s stock and bond market considering the value the shares have shed?

Chuck Burton Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:12 pm

Rising markets always undergo periodic corrections to weed out the weaker participants. China needs even more of a drop to do that. The U.S. markets are also overdue for a correction of possibly 30% or more.

Root Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm

The readers you choose to quote are full of typical Republican BS.

Fred151 Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:31 pm

Could it possibly be that those chosen have something to say….and others do not?

Bill Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:40 pm

You must be living in the land of the FREE- food stamps, medicade, Free phone, rent subsities

Chuck Burton Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:15 pm

Republican BS, Democratic BS – both parties are full of it. Why do we not have a real choice in this country?

Jim Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 1:22 am

This entire country has become one big load of BS

Bill Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:38 pm

GET READY!! 49% of Americans are like the Greeks- Food stamps, Medicade, free rent subsities, Free phones, etc.etc. Who wants to work when everything is FREE!!

Vic Bowman Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:18 am

I just want to comment on this 50% are supporting the other 50%. Back in the mid 70’s to mid 80’s when I was at my peak earning period I had to pay an accountant to get my tax rate DOWN to 40%. I paid more taxes on a yearly basis than most of you cry babies pay in 10 years now. I earned the right to be PARTIALLY supported by the 50% now. I paid my way.

Jim Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 1:25 am

The Baby Boomers pored more money into the US Treasury than any generation in our History. I expect my share as well without a shred or guilt. Jim

tradewinds Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:47 pm

Mike, you ask … “So what are your thoughts? What do you think the Greek “no” vote means ?”
I have no idea Mike! But I have a question for you. ………….. GOT GOLD?

Donald Link Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:53 pm

Yes, thankfully my late wife (Asian) who had seen this film before, left a boxful. I light an incense stick before her picture every anniversary.

tradewinds Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:02 am

Good man.

CeCe Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:48 pm

Thought I’m happy for the Women’s soccer World Cup win, I feel this has no place in an investment advisory service newsletter . You already send me multiple e-mails a day, often with content on the same subject. Also, I am not interested in your other readers opinions. My subscription fees pay for Weiss’ opinions and advice that will help my financial situation. I appreciate the Weiss Ratings, Heat maps and my monthly newsletter subscriptions. But my time is valuable to me. So I would love to see only 1 e-mail per day that contains salient news for my financial health and welfare and no other readers opinions. Thank-you

Chuck Burton Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:25 pm

CeCe, the thoughts of other readers – even yours – may very well be salient to your and our financial health and welfare. I like that Mike allows open debate on various issues. Something like a town meeting. Even sports may reveal something about the economic health of the nation – who knows?

Donald Link Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:49 pm

I thought after the Argentina crisis fifteen years ago, the twenty-five year ongoing crisis in Zimbabwe, the near death experience in Iceland, and now Greece, that Keynes would finally be buried and the world would learn a lesson about income, expediture and fiat currency. But always, “this time it’s different”. What again was Einstein’s deffinition of insanity?

Chuck Burton Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:31 pm

So our politico-economic “experts” are all insane, Donald? Hmmmm… could be.

Ron Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:53 pm

The musical chairs game is just starting and we shall see who is left without a chair. The main problem is that citizens of each country do not like the citizens of other countries and only a few of their own country.

Who do you trust? No One!

The Beggar thy Neighbor program is accelerating and nobody knows where or if it will stop. How can you better your future while attempting to harm your neighbors?

When everyone is broke; who can win?

The main hazard of all this is that the music will stop and there are no chairs for all the would be “kings” who are left out in the cold. You know politicians will kill to keep their seat. Please see that you are not in their line of fire.

God Bless and Good investing. If HE does not Bless you; you may not survive!

HENR ILEWKOWICZ Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:54 pm

YOU ARE MISINFORMED , GREECE WILL NOT RUN OUT OF PAPER MONEY AS THEY DO PRINT THEIR OWN GREEK EUROS WITH THE PREFIX …..Y….. IN FRONT OF THE BILL NUMBERS SO EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT BILL WAS PRINTED BY THE GREEKS ..EVERY COUNTRY WHO BELONG TO THE EURO CURRENCY HAVE THEIR PREFIX ..I AM SURPRISE THAT PEOPLES LIKE YOU IN THE FINANCIAL WORLD COULD BE SO IGNORANT …….

Thomas Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Hi Mike,
We need to ask if the “NO vote” was an expression of defiance, or an illustration of stupidity?
Perhaps both! Most Greeks did not really even know for what exactly they were voting for. Brussels will teach the social construct called the EU and Euro Zone countries that “The man with the Gold makes the rules” That law is still as valid today as it was from the beginning of commerce. We need to accept that “nothing in politics happens by accident” -Winston Churchill taught us!
The price of progress is the pain in change!
The end will be a painful experience for both Brussels and the Greeks!

Shar Monday, July 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm

I think the people of Greece proved their courage and intelligence by voting No as I had predicted. They now lead the way for the entire world to wake up to the sad state of financial affairs we live in as at least 2 countries have already set the stage by gaining 200 – 280,000 signatures supporting the end of their participating in the Euro. I do find H. Bradleys idea of Russia or China wooing Greece as most interesting, plausible and something I hadn’t considered but feel Greece will be very leery of most any offer until they are allowed to view their exact circumstances.
Mike asked what we are doing – I sold the last of the oil holdings reflecting gains today and bought into SCO & EPV the later being recommended by Larry E.

Rob Monday, July 6, 2015 at 6:12 pm

Wow…Greece is finally done with the FIAT B.S.? Good for them!! It will hurt in the beginning but they will come out just fine. I think it’s hilarious when banksters (IMF, Federal Reserve and the ECB) think they can just loan invisible money to the public at interest and think it will all work out. I mean how can select group of people just create money out of thin air and loan it out…it is a process that baffles the mind. Here is a little something for everyone to chew on….if I was to take every dollar…every quarter, every nickel, and every penny out of circulation and give it back to the people that printed it….I would only be paying off 1/10th of the total debt. If that doesn’t just totally blow your mind then you have no concept of the current centralized money situation. If there is never enough money to pay off computerized debts (which there will never be) then guess who gets to confiscate your business..your car…your house….and basically your life. Well it’s the very people that created the fake money to begin with. Could you imagine how powerful you could become if you could do the very things that they do? Let’s say you ask me for 100,000 and poof I put it in your bank account (at interest). But it’s not a transfer of dollars, you know backed by anything which causes me not risk in this loan…I just put it in my computer as a loan and sit back and wait for your payments. Now here is the best part (for me) when you can’t pay me back well that is my ticket to be part of your life forever!! What you don’t like that?? Well neither does Greece apparently!!!

Shar Monday, July 6, 2015 at 7:02 pm

Love it Rob. And by your description we’re ALL already ‘wearing the mark of the beast’ of deft without even knowing it. Incredible. Most everyone should be able to follow your reasoning. How do you spell it? – Titantic?

Steve Schoen Monday, July 6, 2015 at 6:19 pm

What is going on in China reminds me of the U.S. Market spike and crash in 1928-1929. The Chinese market has increased 100% over the past 6 months, although the world economies have been slowing down over the past year.

You can read the story in several books about the 1929 crash.

Travis Monday, July 6, 2015 at 7:15 pm

As usually, you tend to look on the positive side instead of the realistic. The poor Greek worker doesn’t have the money to buy our “safe” stocks; he will be lucky to have something to eat in the future. If they are smart they will go back to the drachma and tell their creditors to take the drachma or leave it! Why kick the can down the road again. The poor suckers depended on their government (like ours?) to give them everything, plus a living.

PeterW Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:01 pm

The timing of the Chinese turmoil is suspicious. Greece has its back to the wall, by whose design? My vote, drop the Euro.

Stephen Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:06 pm

It is quite simple cut the debt by 20% and reduce pensions by 10%, wait 2 years and then repeat. Alternatively both Europe and more so Greece shall incur the economic wrath of the Gods.

Norman Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:30 pm

One of the problems with the situation in Greece is that no one has clearly described what the problem is. Here is my version: Greece is a third world country that wants a first world life style.
Greece does not produce much of anything. Their major industry is tourism. So how does Greece acquire all of the stuff that a first world life style requires ? They have to import it from
the rest of Europe. Where do they get the money to do this ? From the “loans” that they receive
from their European partners. Since this money is not invested in anything, there is no way it could ever be paid back, so it has to be viewed as foreign aid (or welfare). The problem with continuing this welfare is that if it is OK for Greece to get it, why not other countries such as
Bulgaria, Romania, Portugal, etc ? What does Greece need to do to get out of this mess ?
Greece needs to change its society so that companies can invest there and be profitable. There
is no company in Greece today that has more than a few hundred employees. No major non-Greek company has any significant presence in the country. This means that Greece needs
to drastically reduce its size of government (currently 60% of GDP) and drastically reduce its
tax rates. The talk of increasing taxes (as austerity) is crazy. Ideally taxes on business should
be set to 0 for 20 years to get companies into the country. Also rules and requlations on business need to be streamlined and codified so there is transparency. A significant portion
of economic activity in Greece is currently off-the-record. This needs to change as well. If business taxes are set to 0 and rules and regulations are streamlined, there will be a rush of
business from all over the world into Greece and the problem will quickly be solved.

Kevin Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:34 pm

Once the Chinese have their markets under control, which seems more than likely now, the Greek issue will go on the backburner. Just a hunch, no clear information to support this thesis.

Jim Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:42 pm

The vote changed nothing! The same voters say they have no desire to leave the EU. Their leaders just have a little more leverage. There will be a deal! Jim

Jim thorpe Surfer Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:53 pm

Why..?? No mention of Puerto Rico’s Money Problems..? That is the Area to Most EFFECT the good ole’ USofA..mahalo

Jim thorpe Surfer Monday, July 6, 2015 at 9:02 pm

Forgot to mention…the FIX is IN when it comes to Greece..that’s why the Finance minister resigned..if they Toppled the Whole Government..even the most Unobservant of Americans in regards to Greece..would have figured it out lolol

Jim Monday, July 6, 2015 at 9:07 pm

Obama update: Harry Truman made a deal with Saudis after WW II. They sell us their oil and we provide for their defense needs. By trying to make a deal with Iran Obama has in effect ended that relationship unilaterally. The new King Salman knows he can’t depend on the US anymore. They bankrolled Pakistan’s nuclear research to have access to nukes if they need them. The other Gulf states probably feel the same way. Obama has caved on three key points in the negotiations. They do not have to reveal their progress on triggers or miniaturization. Their military bases will be off limits to inspectors, and their will be no surprise inspections. They can build all the bombs they want after ten years. This deal will guarantee a nuclear arms race in of all places the Middle East. Good luck with that. Obama is either a fool or a traitor. You can decide. Jim

Ganesh Monday, July 6, 2015 at 11:22 pm

In the days and years to come, a major theme will be LIVING WITHIN MEANS. Living within means has no limits and Living BEYOND means has limits even for sovereigns. This theme will be played out repeatedly in the days to come. Greece is just the beginning and may not affect US markets. The world will realize that there are many other nations that are in similar situation. The largest debtor in the world is in a similar situation except that it can print its own currency.

mike Monday, July 6, 2015 at 11:34 pm

Enough of this nonsense of naming the IMF loans to Greece ,
‘bailout’, ‘bailout funds’ and such.These accounting entries are rollovers: They merely rollover the existing IMF loan. They are digital transfers only–they are not cash and they do not reduce the Greek debt.: the IMF gets its ‘money’ back and the debt goes on. The real bail out occurred when the EU leaders decided a few years ago to bail out their banks , mainly German and French, who had placed big bets on Greek debt –and lost. The bankers did not want to face the facts, pay the price of taking risks and failing. They enlisted the politicians to take on the debts and to pass them onto the European taxpayers.

Vic Bowman Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:14 am

I just want to comment on this 50% are supporting the other 50%. Back in the mid 70’s to mid 80’s when I was at my peak earning period I had to pay an accountant to get my tax rate DOWN to 40%. I paid more taxes on a yearly basis than most of you cry babies pay in 10 years now. I earned the right to be PARTIALLY supported by the 50% now. I paid my way.

Jean Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 2:48 am

I can’t believe the stupidity of central banksters thinking more debt solves anything. It’s a global conundrum that will lead to the next crisis – the Sovereign Debt Crisis. The US is the largest global debtor of all, so where do I think stocks are headed? Dumb question..

MARTY Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:47 am

It’s not about Greece. It’s all about Europe taking off for the month of August. This has always made them less able to be part of a world economy. Too generous pensions and a laid-back life style is great, but you should only be entitled to that if you worked a lifetime and were smart about planning for the future.
Next China, a hardworking and honest people, but their reporting is a fiction. Like all of
Asia, they lie, it’s a part of their ingrained way of doing business. They lack an understanding of the underlying value of the things they manufacture. As long as it looks like it , it must be it. In short they make crap and although it make seem like a good price, the cost of replacement actually make these cheap items more expensive.
Now the economy. Our economy has changed for the worse over the last 30 years in two very bad ways. First, we’ve gone from doing a good job and earning on the basis of working smart to seeing what you can get away with. Second, the concept and actual application of the velocity of money has been eliminated by the tentative gatekeepers at our financial institutions. Most of this fear comes from immigrants playing the systems that worked well and made our country grow during the 50’s, 60’s, 70,s. It’s no wonder the banks are gun shy.
This is a lot simpler to solve than the politicians who never had the earn a living, make payroll, provide insurance, make a good place to work, conform to the stupid rule they make. be a good employer, be accountable for their actions and a crap load of other things that make this thing we call America work, would have us think, if we can think anymore.

Good luck.

Chuck Burton Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:26 pm

Marty, you want people to be honest and trustworthy. Very few are at all times, most are most of the time, some are when it suits their purpose. Politicians fit that last category, with very few exceptions. The “profession” requires it. Is it any wonder things keep going to hell? Think of all the great cultures that have arisen. None has lasted for more than a few centuries. The politicians have destroyed them, internally.

palcau ioan Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 12:34 pm

i love this world! i love this never-ending-crisis!! i want more,i want more!!! (i hope my voice will be heard it by the masters of this world)…yip,a real pleasent world,lucky for me its happening during my lifetime…ooohhhh boyyyyyy! Peace,guys!

marion Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 3:58 pm

There is one country that bit the bullet to survive–Finland, following WW-2 was faced with an ultimatum from the Soviet Union. Produce certain products in tribute to the S.U. for their military association with Germany in WW-2 or face the alternative!!!!! You might find an appropriate comparison between the Fin’s choice back then and todays choice in financial issues various countries face today. May be good detail you can have with and present a very serious comparison. Best wishes and I enjoy reader’s and your comments. M

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