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Now, let’s talk about President Obama’s latest student loan push. I wrote just a couple weeks ago how student loan debt is crushing today’s graduates.
They’re coming out of college with an average of $29,400 in debt — or more than $1.1 trillion in total. That’s hampering the economy by reducing discretionary income, preventing potential first-time home buyers from stepping up, and suppressing the entrepreneurial spirit this country was built on.
President Obama ordered the Education Department to extend monthly repayment caps to nearly 5 million student borrowers by Dec. 2015. |
The Money and Markets community blamed many different causes, and proposed some novel potential solutions. Then yesterday, Obama weighed in with an executive order that will dramatically expand programs aimed at reducing the student loan debt burden.
As a result, some 5 million additional borrowers will qualify for a program that limits debt payments to 10 percent of their income. That benefit was previously available only to borrowers who took out their loans after October 2007.
Obama also plans to ramp up education and outreach programs to get more students to participate — and to encourage them to pay their loans on time. Only 1.6 million people have taken advantage of one key relief program, a fraction of the 37 million Americans who have some kind of student debt.
Since government-backed loans account for roughly 85 percent of all student loans, federal actions have wide-reaching effects on current and former students. But there are some key caveats.
“Students are graduating with a trillion-plus-dollar monkey on their backs … and that’s going to have a whole host of negative impacts on the economy.” |
First, the new rules won’t kick in until late 2015. Second, broader legislation that would allow students to refinance loans — whether government-backed or private — remains stalled. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts is the bill’s main backer, but Republican opposition has so far blocked her efforts.
A key sticking point is the cost to taxpayers. Warren wants to raise taxes on richer Americans to pay for the bill, which could boost federal spending by $58 billion over the next decade. But ideological opponents say that it’s unfair to tax non-borrowers to pay for college debt relief.
In other words, it’s not clear yet how much relief students will see — and how much it will cost the country overall. The only thing that is certain? Students are graduating with a trillion-plus-dollar monkey on their backs … and that’s going to have a whole host of negative impacts on the economy. We should all expect the political fights over potential solutions to get rowdier as time goes on.
So what do you think? Is Obama’s latest proposal a good one? Should the president offer even more aggressive debt relief … or not? Do colleges need to shoulder more of the burden or blame, or should young Americans just be forced to suck it up and pay their bills? And how will the student debt burden impact the economy and your investments?
Weigh in by putting your thoughts in the comment section below.
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Regarding the market advance and the reasons behind it, many of you believe it’s based on misguided assumptions, bad data and poor monetary policy.
Reader Peggy P. questioned the accuracy of the data showing more than 200,000 jobs being created the past few months, for instance. She said: “These numbers are a total joke. I know the newspapers play it up, but I don’t make decisions based on government numbers anymore.”
Reader John P. added that monetary policy has been an abject failure in terms of promoting a healthy economy, instead creating a two-tiered system in America. His comments:
“The experiment with money printing is essentially over. It’s a proven failure unless you consider the increase to the One-Percenters and the falling wages and lousy jobs gotten by the Ninety-Nine-Percenters to be some sort of ‘triumph’ for America. The very definition of a Third World country is one where a few thousand families live in the lap of luxury while the rest fight for the leftover table scraps.”
So what about you? Is the market advance built on a solid foundation? Or are we destined to give up these gains because the underlying economy simply doesn’t justify them? Comment below if you want to!
OTHER DEVELOPMENTS OF THE DAY |
 The “JOLTS” survey on jobs showed that the U.S. had 4.46 million positions waiting to be filled in April. That was up 289,000 from a month earlier and the highest since September 2007. Federal Reserve Chairman Janet Yellen is known to follow this data series closely.
 While I’m at it, the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) survey that covers small businesses pointed toward an improvement in conditions. The group’s optimism index rose 1.4 points to 96.6 in May — the best reading in almost seven years.
 The Wall Street Journal reported that the Government Pension Investment Fund in Japan is going to jack up its allocations to stocks and foreign bonds later this year.
So why should you care? Because it manages a whopping $1.26 trillion in assets for 70 million Japanese investors! If the fund raises its stock allocation to 17 percent from 12 percent, and its foreign bond allocation to 16 percent from 11 percent, it could funnel tens of billions of additional dollars into stocks and non-Japanese bonds.
Does it make sense to channel more money into those assets when volatility has collapsed and asset prices are at very high levels? That’s a question for the rest of us.
It’s worth noting that central banks were large gold sellers in the late 1990s because it was seen as a useless, dead asset … and that marked the bottom!
And who can forget the massive Japanese shopping spree for overseas assets in the late 1980s and early 1990s? Japanese investors bought up California’s Pebble Beach golf course, and New York City’s Rockefeller Center. Then Japan’s real estate and stock markets began to collapse — and a “lost decade (or two!)” followed in that country.
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In addition to ANY plan for relief of debt by students, should be a waiver of the increase of 25% in principal caused by default of student debtors in the workplace, having lost their jobs due to economic downturns since 2008/9; have now acquired an additional 25% add-on debt increase. This is criminal!!! These add-on’s need to be waived… lets get back to the original debt and interest thereon… PERIOD!
I know of far too many people (some even close to retirement age!) who never paid their college loan debts. You took the money, pay the debt. I paid for mine, and my adult children paid for theirs. I think that$ 29,000.00 is cheap compared to the $80,000.+ My children have been paying for theirs to go to college.
There are far less expensive ways to get a good, reputable college degree these days (and at your own pace) , and many of our students get nowhere with “limp” degrees…and they don’t need college to do the kinds of work many do. I do agree that add on rates can be changed and former students who pay a re-defined payment every month until they get regular employment shouldn’t be penalized. Not paying anything should not be excused This ‘gift’ suggestion is from a man who didn’t pay for his own college and just who is really foolish enough to believe that the rest of us working stiffs and retires are not going to have to cough up money for this? Look at our National Debt!!
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Why not start by charging students the same interest rates that the Fed charges the banks (less than 1%). Our daughter’s student loans from the government are 6.25%, higher than any of her private loans.
This sounds reasonable. Shouldn’t cost the taxpayer anything as the principal is being repaid. Gov’t has sure fire way to get their money too – can’t bankrupt against the debt and they can garnish tax refunds. This type of instrument deserves a below market rate. String out the principal repayment too like a house – 30 years.
The Fed discount rate for interest sounds good, with a minimum due each month toward principal. Somewhat like a credit card, the interest rate should go up with each missed payment until the past due amounts are made up. One potential problem is if/when the discount rate increases, how will that affect the interest rate on the loan?
Actually the discount rate should apply when the principal repayment is on a 5 year basis. The rate increases somewhat as the repayment periods increase to 10, 20, 30 years, etc. and even more on missed payments.
People need to get over the notion that someone else has to pay for their “goodies.” This applies to special considerations for various industries, companies, and individuals (including public employees & law makers).
I agree that if the repayments for the loan are made on time and for the full amount then the rates should be lower.
Once again, the federal government attacks the “wealthy” as a solution for solving student debt issues! Let’s not go after the core issue for the rise in college tuition costs, which is the easy access to student loan money to begin with. If colleges knew that funds were not so easy to come by (especially for students that cannot afford certain colleges…mainly large state and smaller private colleges), do we think that tuition costs would continue to rise at this rate? Absolutely not. It is a simple supply and demand issue. I have sent my sons to community colleges, even though they each were accepted to the private colleges of their choice. But, at $48k plus per year in costs, it did not make economic sense, so instead they paid $2500 at a local commmunity college for the first two years and then transferred. It is shameful that liberal politicians continue to punish the higher income earners, instead of offering up solutions to the real issues. Have we not learned, as a country, that there are consequences to every “socialized” solution…and it usually involves our pocket-books!
Couldn’t agree with you more! Just another ploy by Ogovt. to have everyone pay for ill-conceived, personal choices. It just proves to me that these graduates aren’t really prepared for the workforce because they don’t know how to make basic, sound financial decisions. Don’t help your child go into debt and stay out of it yourselves!
I agree with Pat Combs reply. Part of the high cost of college is the fault of the schools themselves and more young people should take advantage of local community colleges for the first two years. If the government had not made it so easy for students to get
loans and grants at expensive colleges we would not be in the present mess.
Why not start by reigning in the cost of college. They charge outrageous tuition and build lavish campuses and pay professors exorbitant wages for their time.
Professors are not all that well paid except in a few states. And teaching is not their only responsibility (maintaining academic excellence and currency, recruiting, research–yes that’s part of what universities must do). We think/know it is the administrators who are overpaid; like CEOs, they are convinced they are worth it.
Some groups, including some universities, offer classes online for free or for a nominal fee. I think this is a great idea for K-12 as well as university level classes including advanced degrees and continuing education. But try and get this past the various “gate keepers!”
I biggest problem I see with this is that a large percent of students are not self-motivated enough to follow-through… I think there are some solutions to self-motivation also if people put their creative energy into solving the problem.
Easy fix for the student loan problem. Allow student loans to be included in bankruptcy like any other creditor obligations. Many students would surely go bankrupt. If done correctly, a student would recover in about 3 years with zero debt. The Feds would now have to learn (the hard way) to not give loans out to anybody; especially kids who have little chance of paying the money back anyway with their “soft” chosen majors. The cost of University would go down due to basic supply and demand. Only people who were serious about University would go due to the realistic loan standards; for instance, great grades. Don’t tax the rich to pay for it or give any other extensions or modifications – that just prolongs the problem. If Obama really wanted to help the students, he would allow the debt to be written off.
What an irresponsible solution!
What’s your solution? Ever thought about solving the problem? Didn’t think so!
Irresponsible to whom? Remember the gov’t agencies who own most of the student loan debt created the debt out of nothing. Do you think they have the money in a back account they are lending against? They don’t. Through out history, when debt gets out of control, the bubble bursts and irresponsible creditors have to take a hair cut, otherwise, with gov’t help, you prolong the problem. Another solution from the past is debtors prison. Let’s do that – put the deadbeats in prison. Wait, they are already there, it is called their parents’ basement. Sure kids took out irresponsible loans. Do you know any highly responsible teenagers? They are kids! As parents we allowed them to follow their muse. This is a generational burden. Not all kids would choose bankruptcy; however, at least give them that option.
Let them go bankrupt, and put the debt back to the college they graduated from to repay so that you & I aren’t on the hook. The average kid takes 5.5 years to complete college now, taking less courses and credits than I did working 40 hours going to school. Colleges are to blame for the majority of this mess
Unfortunately, Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He seized the student loan program from private lenders and to fund Ocare. If he puts this proposal in place, the cost of Ocare increases. But, if you look at the fine print, this will probably only impact 10% of students after loans prior to 2007, private loans and PLUS loans are excluded. The max anyone can borrow on federal student loans today is $31,000 for a BA.
We should all agree to pay the loans of students who go for Masters in Social Work, Early Education, Gender Studies and Conflict Resolution, Psych, Anthro, Poli-Sci, Sociology, Medieval French Lit, English Comp, Journalism, Theology or anyone of the hundreds of undergrad and advanced degrees that qualify you to make lattes, of course.
And how does one deal with the Trustafarians- rich kids who are acting like hippies and not working?
This harkens back to the debacle of 2008 when they were given free money away to people who had no credit . If were going to loan money to students who have parents standing by watching their children sign their future away, have the parents sign as cosigners to the loans. Why should I have to pay for other parents kids to go to school?
As a retired educator, I would be ( and am) insulted by the lack of critical thinking by young people if they (or any others, especially their parents) fall for this government gimmick. Like heathcare, soc security and everything else that eats away at the progress of this nation, to advocate becoming irresponsible and to continue to seek a college education when one is incapable of paying for it, flies in the face of logic. There are lots of constructive ways to acquire an affordable post-high school education…to fleece the taxpayer should not be on their “A” list. The government is not the answer, never has been and never will be. This proposal, edict, again encourages consumption thinking and hoping the college “educated” will then spur-on production. False! And shame on counselors who too would promote this so schools can continue to inflate tuition + extras.
Right on, brother
I agree!! If my folks couldn’t have paid for my college years ago, I would’ve refused to go. Liberal arts degrees are not real job skills in the business world! Why don’t kids and their parents know that?
The whole student loan fiasco has been created by the Federal Gov’t and higher education. By making college loans too easy, colleges have been able to up their tuition sky high and kids just borrow the money and “worry about it later.” Now 25 yrs later we have this disaster. Borrowing for a college education should be market driven just like everything else. Let the banks decide who gets loans, not the Federal Gov’t who is simply social engineering, like usual.
No reason for the government to be involved. That’s a relatively new development and it’s not working out well. Colleges used to make financial aid packages to outstanding students. If today they made the loans out of their endowment funds, they’d be a little more cautious about funding students who were unlikely to graduate. And with federal funding out of the picture, the colleges would lower tuition and other fees.
I had scholarships thru my college education, nice ones. State support for universities is a travesty now, almost everywhere, and the scholarships are gone, almost everywhere. It wasn’t the university itself that forgave our tuition, it was the State, and it’s been cut to shreds by the states, like support for public schools as well..
I realize it’s tough, but if you decide to purchase something–a car, insurance, an education–it is an individual’s prerogative. Why should the government (all tax payers) be responsible to fund someone’s elective choice. And then if your dreams don’t come true and you don’t land that high paying job, no worries! Just lower your expectations and you can be bailed out courtesy of everyone else who scrapes by to pay their way. If college educations are now so ridiculously expensive, maybe it’s time to look at why, like the explosion in college/university administration and multi-million dollar compensation packages for college/university presidents and football coaches.
Is Obama’s suggestion a good one? The most telling piece of data came from the ED Secy when he said they had no idea what it would cost but would figure it out on the back end. That is typical of this admin and maybe Gov’t in general lately, BUT, it’s some of the most asinine comments they could make. A half baked suggestion like that in a private company would get you fired. It’s pandering for votes and redistributing wealth. hat’s all it’s designed to do. If they were serious, they would have created a environment that allowed jobs to be created. That’s what people with student load debt need…JOBS. That’s what pays off the debt.
Colleges should have to reduce the tuition for students that have to borrow to get an education. In turn they should pass the costs on in the form of reduced expenses across the board . . .
When you graduated from the third grade did you have any sense of how an economy works? Many people have endorsed your philosophy – mostly Russians and Chinese and neither were able to achieve any acceptable standard of living until they started allowing the individual to be rewarded by his personal efforts. Why should I pay more for a loaf of bread than you do, especially when I pay 10 times the taxes you do already. You want me to build the roads, pay the cops, pay the firemen, fund my own retirement AND pay for a University where everyone pays a different tuition based upon need? Gosh, that sounds like “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”. People have tried that lots of places lots of times – it hasn’t worked yet!
Why are the colleges/universities getting off the hook? The cost to attend is outrageous! If we taxpayers are on the hook, costs will sky rocket. Another typical solution for all the issues out their – make the hard working taxpayers pay for the bill! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
We should pay for the cost of reducing student loans by limiting the size of university endowments so that, for example, any income earned on an endowment over $10 billion dollars (or some lower amount) is taxed. That way, the universities that spend way too much and charge way too much will participate in remedying the problem that they, along with the federal government, created.
The federal government also might want to start refusing to lend to students at universities that charge more than a certain amount of tuition (i.e. $10,000 per semester). Or they can provide that if the students default on any loans above that amount, the taxpayer’s loss will be charged to the university in question.
Love it!
You said it all. Although Sen. Warren’s Bill is desperately needed, ideological opponents say that it’s unfair to tax non-borrowers to pay for college debt relief. But if that Republican mantra were true, then it too is unfair to tax non-drivers to pay for roads and oil subsidies. Many other examples abound.
Tell the frigin federal govt to get out and stay out of the student loan business. They have created this mess among others.
Eliminate the federal Dept. of Education so we can stop dumbing down our students
Suck it up and pay their bills.
This is nothing more than a bare-faced political ploy to garner as much of the student vote as possible to prevent a disaster this coming mid-term election.
God help America!
I have scrimped and saved to fund my kids’ college education. They will need small loans to cover the gaps. My friends have paid for new cars, bigger houses, and great vacations while letting their kids worry about paying for school (loans). I planned, they didn’t. They get the breaks and I have to pay again! (higher taxes) This country seems to penalize planners and reward those who live for the moment.
The problem is education is too expensive, so why can’t the colleges and universities cut back on expenses, expect professors to teach more than one class, correct the papers versus grad assistantsdoing it. My god, they just have to work for a living. Elizabeth Warren taught one class at Harvard and made over #300,ooo. per year. Doesn’t that explain a lot. Look at the amenities in a college do away with them to reduce cost.
My kids are 25 and 30 both went to college or trade school, and are working with good paying jobs (50k range). I would not fill out the FASFA paper work a decade ago as I knew it was a debt trap. My advise is simple and would work easily I believe. Parents just keep your kids out of college for 1 year, let the prof’s take their skills to the market place and find out what they are worth. Here in Iowa the median salary as or 2011 was 234k. Remember we have coaches drawing close to 5million over a few years. I firmly believe if the professors have get up at 6am to go to work at a real job if they can actually find one, and produce something of value. They will soon find out that working for half of what they draw might be better than working in a competitive job market. The situation as I see it, is that the State Universities paid for by tax payers for the benefit of the citizens have been co-opted for the financial gain of the banks and the facility at the expense of students whom are largely misled as to the true value of the degrees they are pursuing. Best Regards..
Investing in education is NEVER a bad thing…we don’t want to lose this fight for the future of America! I’m so grateful to see our President backing Elizabeth Warren in her efforts to help students. Massachusetts BANKERS support this measure! @DHS to add another example, those with no children, still like to see taxes going to education. We like a future with smart Americans leading the way!
So where along the line did teachers refuse to instruct students about personal debt and entitlement living? It’s Dr. Spock gone awry again.
Borrowing $100,000 to become a parole officer is a bad thing and by definition borrowing money to pay tuition isn’t necessarily investing. An investment requires the expectation of a return. When a student borrows money to go to a for profit school because their previous conduct has cost them the opportunity to attend a public school or junior college they pay 6 to 10 times the market cost for a marginal education that usually will not provide them a job that will allow them to address their debts, much less eat. It was a BAD INVESTMENT!
It depends on which education and how much money.
It may also depend on which student. It makes less sense to invest in a student (or for a student to invest in him or herself) for a degree program they are unlikely to complete.
I recently went to “college fair” at our high school. Free enterprise on display! Pictures of their best building and leafy trees and lawns. This is supposed to be education not vacation! The combination was fine in the days that it didn’t put you in crippling debt, now it’s long ago stopped making sense for a lot of the little private schools with high tuitions. One must ask — do the add or subtract value from their students?
1. In earlier days all scholarships and student aid were based on merit, Welfare aid to students should be ended. If they don’t or can’t perform, the time and expense of studying in inefficient, overpriced colleges and universities will probably have been wasted, and certainly the cost should not be hung on the 50 percent of earners who pay all the income taxes.
2. Many boomers and younger Americans never learned they should store some nuts for the inevitable winters and retirement, but the vote-hungry career politicians bail them out. It’s time for everyone to be held responsible for his own financial commitments.
I took out a student loan to go to college……what an absolute waste of money. As many have said the interest rates are too high but that is not the real reason thet it was a waste of money…..the classes were a joke. I actually only have a ninth grade education with a follow up GED. I have been out of school for thirty five years but the classes were so simple an elementary student could have passed most of them! If this is what passes for higher education no wonder this country is in the shape it is in. This was not a community college but rather a highly recognized and accredited college. It was going to cost me $28,000.00 for a BA degree. After two terms (8 classes) I decided I had better things to do with my time and money than to persue this joke of an education. I payed off my $8000.00 loan and considered it a very expensive lesson. It is no wonder that even the people I know with degrees, some of which have PhDs, are not very smart at all. The system has been set up so that the lowest common denominator is the deciding factor in the level of hardship for the courses. A college degree no longer means what it did twenty years ago. By the way, I carried a 4.0 grade average with my lowest grade being a 94. Making it easy to get a loan doesn’t mean that people are getting what they are paying for and as far as I am concerned if you borrow money for anything you should have to pay it back. I for one am tired of ” paying” for other people to get what they want through higher interest rates and other costs when they don’t pay for it themselves.
You should get a medal! 95% of the people in your situation don’t have enough common sense to figure out they are getting scammed.
Amazing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Disability, the Post Office and now Student Loans. Doesn’t anyone in Washington know Capitalism or are they all wannabe Socialists, pandering for votes. Of course now with Obama Care taking over a huge chunk of the economy what could possibly go wrong?
Why not turn the payments over to the IRS and provide the best terms we can for payment. On the other hand, is it just me or does an average of $29K of debt seem like a reasonable price to pay for a college education. One can only buy an ‘affordable’ car for less than $29K and how may college grads will do without a car, or an iPhone or an iPad, etc. I just do not see this as crushing. Most of the wining is just that the money is already spent and no one is excited about paying for past benefits only new adventures. In addition I think we need to help students who take on debt to consider their plan to pay it back. When you major in “communications” or “Latin” or some such the reality is that you better not take on too much debt unless you are willing to face the consequences.
Face facts, there are a lot of DUMB kids out there. Some of them end up working for the IRS.
Once again. You can’t borrow your way out of debt. The graduates need to step up to the plate. Make a plan. And pay that thing off just like everyone else. $29.4K isn’t that big a deal if you just get on it and stay with it. Next time instead of borrowing to go to school consider the W.O.R.K. scholarship and pay as you go and don’t get into this mess again.
Forgiving debt sounds like a great liberal idea, on the surface. However, this EO from Obama is just another shove to increase the indebtedness of the populous. The Federal Reserve Bank system was designed, by the super wealthy bankers, the elites of the world, to take this country into debt and destroy it, is now based on a fiat currency that is backed only by the word of the government (anybody with even a smattering of a brain knows what the governments word is worth, nothing), we still haven’t even gotten the WWII debt paid off, and we are at point now that as a nation we have to borrow from other countries just to pay the interest on the national debt. If we can’t pay anything on the principle, the debt will never diminish and thus will never end. Simply printing more currency, as they did in Germany, just inflates the currency and reduces the actual buying power. Note the sneaky marketing ploy used in the grocery stores; they reduce the quantity of the product as well as raise the price of the product to hide the rapidity of the rise in the inflation rate, and the government just ignores this and fails to list groceries in their inflationary figures. The government is expert in hiding things they don’t want the public to be aware of!
Debt will eventually destroy the United States of America, and now Obama wants to take us further into debt with more of his faulty programs. So, what the hell is he thinking? In my opinion, this just falls right in line with his “Rules for Radicals” philosophy written by Saul Alinsky, which he was thoroughly trained in as a community agitator and wholeheartedly subscribes to due to his close associations with known Communists during his formative years; this will bankrupt the country and cause a great deal of hate and discontent in the populous and lead to his goal to bring the United States to a grinding halt and failure. At this point, I believe his intention is to try to bring the country out of the depths of disparity, when the populous is most vulnerable to his socialist idiotology, and create a fascist dictatorship under his Muslim theology using Sharia law to control the masses. His programs of divisiveness have already divided this country into a dis-United States of Amerika, and united we stand, but divided we will fall! Unless we again form a United States, we will fail to retain our status as a Sovereign Nation under our Constitutional Republic. Therefore, I think his program to control the educational debt is wrong; make the colleges and universities weigh in on the excessive costs of education, and don’t lay it all on the backs of middle-class taxpayers! Our educational system has been infiltrated by socialist extremists and should be completely revised under a curriculum that supports this country and doesn’t train our youth to be wholly dependent upon the government for a living with no incentive to improve their lot in life!
Problem is most of these heavy debt students are marginal students attending “for profit” trade schools. Many of these schools have 70% of their students on student loans. In Georgia we provide tuition assistance for students who are serious about their studies. Not much for those pursuing womens studies and basket weaving. The answer to education is to prepare children to make a living. Teach them to do something that someone actually needs and they can make a living. You can’t borrow $100,000 to become a parole officer and have any reasonable hope of paying off the loan and eating too. Too many kids are told you can! We are pushing kids into debt to get jobs that don’t pay. We don’t need more government workers, we need workers who have the ability to make a living in the real world.
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Excess student debt is similar to the federal housing debacle. Too many irresponsible people bought homes under federal housing initiatives to make home ownership universal. In similar fashion President Obama and others believe everyone should have the opportunity to attend college. And just like the housing bubble, easy student loan money has attributed to the meteoric rise in the cost of a college education. It’s just too easy for college administrators to pass tuition hikes and other costs to students through student loans.
Thanks to student debt the costs of a college education has increased faster than the cost of living and healthcare over the past several years. For-profit colleges, like the University of Phoenix (Apollo Group), who got in front of the ballooning student debt trend have turned education entrepreneurs into billionaires. The salaries of college presidents is nothing less than amazing.
Unfortunately, the high cost of a college education has made it impossible to work your way through college like many of us did back in the early 1970’s. Today, more students are forced to take on debt and I think many students are using debt to attend graduate school and avoid the dismal job market. The easy money really makes it harder.
Elizabeth Warren came from academia. She’s a friend of college administrators and universities. She can’t see the forest because of the trees. Her legislative agenda might make it easier for students today, but does nothing to address the larger problems of easy student loan money, escalating college costs, and a growing student loan delinquency rate.
President Obama’s recent executive action is designed to buy votes for the mid term. The problem won’t go away. I suspect that down the road we’ll see more aggressive student loan forgiveness policies promoted by liberal politicians, who are also trying to buy votes. Not surprisingly, taxpayers will eat the losses. .
Colleges and Universities should be held to the same standard as Trade Schools who have to place 65% of their graduates in jobs within the field of study or NO STUDENTS attending their school can receive Government related Student Loans. .
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President Obama is moving Federal policy towards debt forgiveness for Student loan borrowers. It starts with the 10% rule by 2015. Much of the debt is unpayable, so we have to finesse this fact ( hide it so no “default” takes place). Its part of the trend to transfer wealth from the producers to the debtors or non-producers (takers). Things are complicated but the basis for what he does is pretty easy to see if you are so inclined.
Many people are not looking ahead very far or simply don’t care ( my opinion) and President Obama is craftily taking advantage of the low intelligence of the American voters, collectively. There is nothing Congress can do about it either. Federal indebtedness will keep growing nevertheless and taxpayers will continue to pay for it all through higher taxes and/or inflation. The rest is just “politics”. Been that way for a long, long time. Little changes. Same game, different names, that’s all.
The government really does not care or they would have reduced the interest on the existing loans. Does it make any sense to reduce interest on loans to feds make to banks to 1% or below and not extend the same to student loans? My son is making his payments on time, but he is holding down two jobs at minimum wage to do so. The feds should keep their nose out of the loan business and the students should repay what they borrowed. That was called integrity when I was a young man.
Tuition used to be affordable without loans for most. This was before the government stepped in with guarantees on student loans. The result was higher education cost by institutions. The solution is for the government to get out of the student loan guarantee business and allow resulting market forces to reduce education costs (ie: deflate the tuition bubble).
i agree with the thought that they penalize planners and it has always made me mad that i paid for my children college if they and now the gov. is asking me to pay for the non planners childern so i get a double hit for my kids and the spendthrift’s kids what happened to paying your own way i life and not go running to the gov. that is making ao generation of adults that think they sould get what ever they want even if they can’t pay for it. i understand that some people have to have help but that doesn’t include everyone. people don’t know how to save any more. and the gov only knows one thing tax and spend so the middle class suffers.
While we should make it easier for students to pay down their loans on time- we must be careful with the message doing so sends to them and everyone else. With 5 childden already in or nearing college age, im already hearing stories they bring home of some who’ve verbalized their intent to become long-time students because they know ar some point much of the debt they will have created for themselves will never need to be repaid. This is warped thinking. What’s next-forgiving their auto loans as well because the car is a necessity for getting to work?
Lets be smart when offering some relief to student borrowers AND penalize schools that increase annual budgets beyond the inflation rate by cutting off access to federal backed funds through which they eagerly entice new student enrollment.
I remember when Obama decided to put all the loans under the control of the government. I wasn’t sure how that would change things, but I did know that the ‘risk’ had been taken out of the student loan process. It used to be that a person would go to Wells Fargo or some other big bank and complete a loan application. The banks would evaluate the student and the situation with an eye on making some kind of a profit and at the same time helping out a good student. When the government took over, the profit motive disappeared. The control changed to something more political rather than motivated by profit. I’m still wondering how this will affect things down the road.
I want to get out from under ANY governmental control. Period.
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i agree with the thought that they penalize planners and it has always made me mad that i paid for my children’s college if they went and now the gov. is asking me to pay for the non planners childern’s so i get a double hit for my kids and the spendthrift’s kids what happened to paying your own way in life and not go running to the gov. that is making a generation of adults that think they sould get what ever they want even if they can’t pay for it. i understand that some people have to have help but that doesn’t include everyone. people don’t know how to save any more. and the gov only knows one thing tax and spend so the middle class suffers.
A significant way to ease the student loan debt burden would be to reduce the interest rate charged on it. If the Federal Reserve can afford to loan money to banks at a 1% rate – which they turn around and use to to buy Treasury Notes that pay 2-3%, the Fed could make and/or afford to guarantee student loans at that rate (1%)
More vote buying by the socialists. Once upon a time one was honor-bound to pay one’s debts. Today all are ‘above average’ and encouraged to go to college, where every subject that ends in ‘ies’ is worthless. The federal government has no business in the lending business, for anyone – but the socialists delight in burning taxpayer dollars for their ridiculous schemes
As long as the government continues to fund education the cost of that education is going to rise and the defaults will rise even faster.
It’s another “feel good” non-solution. As a student who worked his way thru a private university by taking any job offered, I have no sympathy for those who borrow money and really don’t expect to pay it back. Debt is destroying our Nation, and adding to it will only hasten the problem.
Recently Bloomberg reported that while the unemployment rate for new graduates is low (5.6%), more than half were employed in jobs not requiring a college diploma ( http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-05/college-graduates-struggle-to-find-employment-worth-a-degree.html ) which suggests that the diplomas are not the benefit that was expected,( though three or four years of study does help the unemployment statistics… ) and this is arguably at already subsidized interest rates/terms. The fact that so much student debt is government supported shows that risk adjusted rates of lending to would-be-graduates are way too low (at adequate rates, US banks would surely lend).
So, just like the encouraging people who could not afford homes to own them, students have been and are encouraged to study for degrees that do not seem equip them for jobs commensurate with their education (perhaps not that surprising when it’s possible to study courses on Lady Gaga see http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-07/20-completely-ridiculous-college-courses-being-offered-us-universities). But what undergrad can do the cost benefit analysis to see whether his/her college education has an expected positive NPV. So, just as easy money for mortgages supported a property price boom, as was pointed out above, easy student debt has done the same for college costs, making it even harder for students to see a payback.
Now, the govt which created this problem again wants those who they believe can to subsidize those who took out the loans of their own volition.
One last point, in Germany just 19% of the 25 to 34 age group are graduates in the US it’s 32% but Germany has a lower unemployment rate 5.2% (and that’s the national rate, not the age cohort). ( See http://www.russellsage.org/research/chartbook/percentage-population-select-countries-bachelors-degrees-or-higher-age ). Maybe we should be training people for real jobs…
Instead of producing a generation or more of under educated or inexorably indebted graduates, a dramatic roll back of college tuition rates would more than likely realize an eventual savings from the increased tax revenue resulting from a better educated workforce. Additionally, penalizing our graduates with legislation passed in the previous administration which prohibited the bankrupt to excuse student loan debt needs to be repealed. I am recalling the greatest growth of our middle class as a direct result of the incentives offered up in the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act of 1944, more commonly known as the G.I. Bill. That legislation made possible for an otherwise struggling generation to access lower education costs to colleges or trade schools, expanded unemployment benefits, low interest mortgages and insured loans. These measures are not only needed now, but paid for themselves then and would again if implemented.
Nobody told those students to go to school, least of all the affluent. I don’t believe for a
moment that he will actually raise taxes on the rich. Just another way to punish producers. Obama’s agenda is to make everybody equally miserable. Student loans wouldn’t be a problem if we actually created real jobs instead of 200,000 Walmart greeters.
More pandering by Obama to a special interest group. Like addictive drugs, the plan is to hook your voters long-term once they become dependent on government giveaways. It’s another reckless disregard of our nation’s debt situation.
College costs rise every year because of the accessibility of easy government money. Want to truly help the students without adding more taxpayer debt? Reduce that easy government funding and lower student loan interest rates. The colleges will have to cut their fat (ie; administrators), level off their annual costs and the interest on loans will accrue at lower levels.
Perhaps the debts could be forgiven if the students joined the Armed Forces for four years. Say ten thousand a year with a minimum of four years. The Marines, Navy or Coast Guard would prepare these student’s for a better life. Ted
And where is the money for relief of student debt going to come from — the average citizen, who are trying to feed themselves now? I feel for student’s problem loans, but they should blame the government for making these loans without any culpability. Let’s try holding them responsible for the decisions.
This is bizarre thinking! The person who is responsible for the debt is the person who requested and signed for the loan, period. Some of the discussion makes it sound as if debt slipped up on these students out of the dark. Aren’t they suppose to be our brightest? I think not.
2 of my 3 kids were minors when they signed the paperwork for their loans. (1st year anyway) Nobody else in any business can contract with a minor.
The democrats have been the innovative party since time began the donkey our symbol kicks up hoots and howls the repul party elephant lops along lazily and without much action or thought. President Onama let loose. Get ideas to convey an economic job building program and stick to it thinking always what would God do for his people and leave office with an innovative history like the US has never seen before or will ever see again. You must think of all of us and be so great that we will naturally fall in and respect your dedication to we the people , forget we are voters. Work for the economic success of the US before your term expires。 You can do it Mr. President
Dear Eileen, as long as the Dems insist on over regulating everything, the college eucation will not produce more jobs. So far the Dems have proven to only be innovative in how to increase taxes and reduce spendiable income. But, they are innovative evn in violating th Constitution.
Last I checked, Republicans started two wars that we are all paying for till today
First of all I don’t think student loans should have ever been authorized in the first place. Second I don’t think some categories of college education should ever been obtained as there are no job for such degrees. Third student loans should have never been allowed for use in private colleges. We must all recognize that college has become a business and not an education. Many who go to college just because there is nothing else like a job in the private sector so to occupy time kids go to college. That is not how it is suppose to work but with college loans it is a way to occupy time and in lots of cases a good time until the loan starts to become due. That’s when the wake up call finally sets in. Does the President have the authority to adjust interest rates on student loans I don’t think so; that is a Congressional decision and I don’t think Congress has taken any action so what has been done via Executive Order is Unconstitutional.
Perhaps we should look at the result of the low cost loans and what they did to the cost of a college education. I have watched college pricing increase as these loans became more and more common.
Maybe a two year boycott of all Colleges, would be in order. I’ll bet the price would go down then.
I agree that students need help, college tuition is way too expensive in US.
For all the opponents of the legislation, why don’t we use the money those same kids put in Social Security benefits that they will not see a dime of when they retire!
Blame for this situation should rest with two parties, Colleges and Corporations. Why do colleges insist on 4 year durations for an undergrad degree. I can tell you from personal exp that less than half of my courseload actually related to my majors (yes i had two). Colleges claim it makes you ‘well rounded’ but seriously it just does no such thing! Plus todays kids are more globally connected/aware than any generation has ever been. Secondly if you look at job descriptions posted by Corp HR depts, they all ask for bachelors and MBA’s (or equivalent) for non-executive positions. Why?!? These are not skills!!! And by the time you get to an exec position, your formal education is worthless. The real skills gap is between the ears of HR depts!
Many students borrow money and use it for other things. No one makes sure that they use the money for education only. The students that borrow money should repay it.
I am adamantly opposed to Obama’s’ tax relief for students. Students borrowed the money now let them live up to their responsibility and pay the money back. Some students are beginning to realize that acquiring a four year degree or higher at the expense of thousands of dollars in debt with no job after graduation may not be worth it. Not everyone is cut out to be a college professor. Furthermore, there is probably more need for electricians, boiler makers or carpenters than some one with a liberal arts degree. Why not promote more tech schools where there are more jobs available?
It appears that anymore very few wants to accept responsibility for their own actions. No one pays my bills when I get over my head but I learn from my mistakes. Responsible people that have been thrifty and saved some money are now being punished by the Federal Reserve in order to bail out those that have bee reckless and irresponsible. This reckless philosophy which this President appears to promote is not good for our country.
This is a great “Blame Game”. The stupid parents told their stupid kids that the interest rate is low so why not borrow the dough. In addition much the loan debt is for non academic stuff and activities. Again, in addition, the stupid schools through their advisor programs never stated what salaries may be like upon graduation hence, a degree in hotel management costing 100K!!! In the Obama administration the term dumb and dumber applies to their term “The best and the brightest”. Go get”em tiger!!!
This indebtedness that the youth of the nation take on with their education shouldn’t hamstring them too severely. The sound of a maximum 1o% of their income going towards the debt sounds fair enough. Not being very well informed about this problem, this may seem a bit ignorant. The way I see it, the politicians are just blowing smoke. The House, due to their leanings won’t let it happen. The administration and the Senate are just making noise that they think the people want to hear. It sounds good to me but it’s NOT going to happen.
Do colleges need to shoulder more of the burden or blame? Maybe. But the real issue is that corporations must be pushed to pay for training their workforce. It used to be this way, back in the 50s and 60s, and we had a healthy, expanding economy as a result.
Well, as usual, the Obama proposal doesn’t kick in immediately, or even later this year, but NEXT year sometime. Just great. Still, it’s better than nothing I suppose.
Warren’s proposal is better,of course, but doesn’t have a chance in the House. (as usual).
I’m no economist (just a poor accountant), but I think as long as the former students’ pay something then the economy as a whole will not be affected although different parts of the economy will be. That is, if the students don’t pay off the loan but do purchase houses, furniture, cars,etc. then those sections of the economy will do well. If , however, they do pay then those who hold the debt will spend the money or invest the money and then those parts of the economy will flourish. I think only if the students don’t have the cash to do eithet will the economy as a whole will be affected, particularly by we, the taxpayers, who will end up paying the bill!
I think our universities should train their students that an individual has a moral obligation to pay his debts. Setting up procedures to borrow money which you think you plan to default on later does not equip a student to manage his affairs in the adult world. A debt relief program similar to this has been in effect for some time for federal employees. As a group these folks have our government spending almost twice as much as it earns with no realistic plan to ever pay it back.
In an economy where few good jobs await college graduates, the problem with educational loan debt is no surprise. Under these conditions, parents should not allow their young people to enter college or university without contributing by working. People should take a far more realistic look at what they can afford and how to go about financing it. As an aside, there are students in colleges and universities who really possess great skills better addressed in vocational schools. I think as the economy improves, provided government can promote jobs rather than destroy them, the business of loan problems will diminish. One cannot pay off loans with low pay, low skilled jobs that should ordinarily be available to young people just out of high school.
Agreed. And let’s face it, business has fueled the demand for college education by requiring degrees even for simple entry level jobs (administrative assistants, clerks, etc.) that in the past were easily filled by people out of high school. And at one time a high school education actually provided the tools to get a job. These days a high school education means nothing and those without college educations are perceived as losers without potential.
The President’s solution is just like health care, treat the symptom instead of the disease.
The cause of high tuition rates is the federal backing of the loans. Take that away and
universities will have to budget their spending costs and cater to the financial capabilities
of the potential students they are trying to attract. Much of the spending by schools is
perverted by the perverted economic system that funds it. Have schools treat their business like a business where programs and its workforce have to prove their worth and
productivity in order to continue contributing to the school’s success.
As for the present situation grads are in, I don’t see a problem in lowering the percentage
amount of their payments lowered to 10% per year. However a contract is a contract and
they should not be excused from the debt in the future because they made unwise financial decisions in the past in how they financed their education or it’s final worth.
The so called “debt relief” will do nothing other than make it easier for colleges and universities to continue to increase tuition exhorbitantly as students will effecitvely find it easier to borrow money. This does nothing to address the root of the problem.
That’s intentional. Obama is supporting the Education Industrial Complex. And he wants to bring it into alignment with Common Core, and that will cost money too which has to come from someone!
The whole student loan program is not conducted correctly. The loans should only be given out for students that satisfy a need for specific talent that is required for this country such as Doctors, Engineers, etc. The high schools and colleges need to bring back courses in the blue collar degrees such as electrician, framer, plumber, etc funded by private business that need a specific type of talent. There is a lot more to say about the above but the loans to students is wrong for them and the country.
Having had a couple of recent college graduates I think the real problem is that college education is many times just plain a bad investment. What ever government subsidizes we get to excess, far beyond societal and economic needs. Many college degrees are just like investing in a dry hole or a junior mining stock. Kids need to be more realistic about what they are getting into but the educational monstrosity gorging on federally subsidized loans picks them off as easy prey. Lets focus on meaningful college education not the cotton candy degrees many colleges offer.
Student loans resemble NINJA* mortgage loans of 2004-2008. Just as NINJA mortgage loans resulted in sky high real estate prices 2004-2008, NINJA student loans result in sky high college tuition. Just as Fannie and Freddie now have stricter lending standards for mortgage loans, stricter lending standards for student loans should be established.
Students and parents who have taken out loans should repay them in full at the interest rate stated in the contact. Y should non-college graduates be asked to subsidize student loans?
*Definition of ‘NINJA Loan’
A slang term for a loan extended to a borrower with “no income, no job and no assets”. Whereas most lenders require the borrower to show a stable stream of income or sufficient collateral, a NINJA loan ignores the verification process.
Another ” bailout” and another case of no accountability by our administration!
It’s the skyrocketing cost of higher education that’s the problem. Reduce the cost of college and the loan problem will take care of its self.
they new when they barrowed the money they would have to pay it back. I have a mortgage how about paying it for me I would have more money to put in the economy
Admit I am not fully cognizant of all aspects of American politics, but it appears to me that Obama is increasingly using Executive Order to implement his policies. That, and the rising power of Homeland Security, makes me uncomfortable – and I live in Canada.
There is way too much politics in this debate. Think of the students, not political agendas. I agree with one of the comments. Why doesn’t the Gov loan money to students at the same rate they loan it to the banks (ie currently less than 1%)? My daughter has $60,000 in Gov loans at a variable rate of 7%! And another $20,000 private loan at 6.75%! Yes the private loan is at a lower rate than the Gov loan! That is ridiculous! She cannot even afford to pay all of the interest on the loans so the loan principal just keeps growing! At this rate, she will default and the Gov will not be paid back. So which makes more sense, charge a lower interest rate (the sameone banks get) and get the loan paid back or charge a higher rate and force her to default and the loans don’t get paid back.
Colleges and Universities have a large and growing number of foreign and non-citizen students. While they pay more than residents, their cost to attend U.S. funded, developed and supported public institutions should be VERY HIGH. They obtain a lot of benefit, for what in the long run is relatively low cost. Their cost increase could help REDUCE the cost for U.S. students.
Students who work their way through college are better prepared for the workplace on graduation. Students who depend on loans are likely to remain trapped in the credit treadmill as adults. In typical government fashion the student loan relief program addresses the symptoms of the problem and ignores the cause. We need proactive policies on all fronts, not costly bandaids.
We all pay for someone for something some times in our life, either through taxes, or interest on loans and when we feel we need to help others (which all good hearted people do) is give some one in need a helping hand. My thoughts are that if these kids were rich they wouldn’t need government help. The taxes that every one pays, the government spends a lot of it stupidly I think. They give other country’s 3 billion a year to help them out and a lot of it goes into someone’s pocket instead of helping their citizens like it is supposed to. That is our taxes and they are giving more than one country cash every year. I would rather see our children be given my taxes instead of some country that doesn’t like us anyway!!! As far as I’m concerned they could forgive the loan so the kids can have a better start and also they can raise the minimum wage at the same time.
I read some of the comments above and it sounds like some of you never got any help growing up. I am sorry about that!!!
How bout having the colleges and universities finance the loan for each and every student that requests financial assistance. They can collect the interest and principle over 10 or 15 years. They make the determination as to who should or should not qualify for the loans. Gets gvt out of the game and theoretically make the students receiving loans more responsible. Maybe it would help reduce college tuition to a much more reasonable level.
Cut out student loans entirely and you will see the tuition cost of college reduce dramatically. Student loans (the third party payor) gives colleges the opportunity to increase costs because the government will be financing it on the backs of students. It is a terrible system.
Wrong thinking. Should be looking at reducing cost not enabling debt. Choose the best teachers to teach online nationwide with regional test centers. Eliminate brick & mortar building & maintenance of same, no dorms, no security. 1/100 the the number of professors. Low cost massive quality education by selected great teachers for those wanting to learn. Minimal debt. Can’t keep doing what we’ve been doing.
That is largely available already! EdX, Coursera. Also community college for the first two years.
Those seeking the “traditional college experience” are paying way too much. It was a reasonable way to do it back in the day, where we didn’t have online lectures by top professors, and the costs of campus education were much lower. We’re in a new day, and the consumers should look to the current market offerings and not copy what their parents did.
At this point the only sensible thing to is to close down and burn these institutions of stupidity (aka colleges and universities). Back 60 yrs ago a college education was of
great value- for example my dad went to the university of Florida for four years, lived on
campus and got a 4yr degree in civil engineering. His total cost was only about $4,000.00
and he didn’t owe one penny in student loans. He planned ahead and worked 2 part time jobs between the ages of 14 to 18 years of age plus worked part time while in college.
His salary started at around $3,800/yr and he got employed right away. The cost of
living was really affordable so he got married at 21 yrs old and started a family as well
as purchasing a single family home. He was the only wage earner and all of our family bills were covered on half of his pay each month. I remember growing up in the 60’s
and the average family had 6 to 8 kids and people were happy, stayed married and
don’t ever remember any of my parents friends or their friends ever complaining about
student loans or medical bills or not having a decent job.
Looking at today’s economy I’ve got one word for it- TRASH! Our country’s economy
is in a full blown depression- excessive unemployment it’s well over 40% when you look
at all of the college grads working at all of these garbage paying poverty jobs flipping
hamburgers, delivering pizza, part time retail jobs etc. Our taxes and government plus
this countries exhorbitant health care costs is keeping over 80% of the population in
abstract poverty. It looks like all of this college crap is just another way our government
is trying to justify the cost of a college education. I don’t have the room to go into all of the financial details here, but consider this: A college grad today would have to start
making approx $1.5 million a year to justify the horrible cost of living today ( to pay tuition, to have decent after tax income to live on-our government robs you of 70% of
your gross income this also includes all of your family’s medical expenses, tax, tax,
tax and the whole country is BROKE!
Although attempts at making higher education affordable seem commendable, the simple fact is that those who wish to help students financially have the opportunity to do so right now. All colleges have alumni student assistance funds where concerned individuals can voluntarily (!) assist in the funding of student grant programs. There is no need to force others to help in private economic activity through the coercive force of federal, state, or local governments. Conservative economist and 1976 Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman called the right way (the private way) of funding noble causes being “Free to Choose”. We need to all remember that one man’s “noble charity” is always some other man’s oppressive burden–we should all be free to choose. We don’t need to be making these public policy decisions on education, since education is not a public policy concern, but a private one. -DM, New Mexico
The end of any civilization or empire like ours is a long, slow process encompassing several generations. Its anything but a “big bang”. No single event, development, or person(ality) will cause the U.S. to “collapse”. Then, One day, we will wake-up one-by-one and nobody will want to defend the United States anymore, nobody, because in that day there won’t be much left worth defending. Then we will have collapsed. You probably won’t read the words ” default” or “collapse” in the paper. If you ever do, it will have already happened some time ago and you are now in heaven.
I graduated from the University of Miami in 1965 [ 1966 ] My last year there the President
of the University sent us a letter regretting that tuition would be increased $ 50.00 a semester from $ 450.00 to $ 500.00 ………..total for year $ 1000.00 .
Now 48 years later the tuition at the University of Miami is over $ 39,000.00 . Absolutely obscene . In Germany and probably most of Europe their yearly tuition is about 1200 Euros a year , $ 1600.00 U.S. dollars . But a good part of the difference is that they only allow qualified intelligent students into the University not the low I.Q. students as in the U.S.
Also their system concentrates on academics not foolish courses such as Black Studies or the benefits of Multiculturalism . I recently read that the average student was $ 26,000.00 , I would venture to say many students actually have more than $ 50,000.00 +
in debt [ plus interest ] Greed in this country knows no bounds , the Corporate World , Wall Street , the Banksters and our elected ” public servants . ” I do believe that this is the beginning of the end for the U.S.
Perhaps students should be held accountable for their financial decisions. They have decided to borrow for their education and should have considered how they will repay that debt. Presumably, they are or will be receiving paychecks that far exceed the amount of their student loans. They made the decision to use some of that income to repay their loans and they should not expect the taxpayer to pay for the student’s decisions.
Most college students, especially college freshmen, are clueless about what major or occupation they should be pursuing. Such confusion and uncertainty leads to a huge percentage of college students dropping out of college unnecessarily (because many of these students end up switching their college major, which adds 1-3 years of time for the student to graduate, plus tens of thousands of dollars of additional expense for these students; all too many of such students end up running out of time and money which leads to their dropping out). Meanwhile, a large percentage of students who do manage to tough it out and finally graduate often end up graduating in a major that does not fit well with their aptitudes and interests, which results in these students being less productive in the workforce (should they succeed in landing a job that’s related to their college major).
All of the above negatively impacts the overall economy–and this is not even taking into account the enormous student loan debt problem.
What needs to be done is to pass legislation–at either the state or federal level–that requires all incoming college freshmen take a high validity interest test prior to their signing up for their first semester classes and selecting a college major or vocational training program. This can be done at $0 cost, as each college possesses a Career Center where such high validity interest tests are offered for students to take for free. Because colleges do not require their students to take such a test, very few college students ever take these highly-valuable tests, leading to most college students being uncertain about what direction they should be pursuing with respect to their occupational goal and college major.
Only one state–California–has passed the above-described legislation, and it takes effect this coming August, 2014 for all incoming California community college freshmen. The legislation, which is now California law, is called the Seymour-Campbell Student Success Act of 2012, and it was bill number SB1456 when it was a bill in the California legislature (it passed the California Legislature almost unanimously; only one legislator voted “no”).
Until colleges in all 50 states of this country see to it that incoming freshmen from Day 1 in college get into logical majors and occupational training programs, based on the student’s interests and aptitudes, the student debt problem is only going to continue to worsen, and the problem of college students graduating in majors that they are ill-suited for (based on their interests and aptitudes), which makes such students less productive workers should they end up in the workforce, will continue.
Obama isn’t trying to pop the bubble, he’s trying to prolong it at all costs. He is doing his best to support the education industry, in a day where it faces a terrible threat from FREE online education. This is why he’s not helping you attend school debt free, only making the loan payments appear slightly more manageable. Just as people are deciding the whole system is too expensive, he’s trying to draw you back in to the traditional but now punitively expensive “college experience”.
You can get some lectures from the very finest universities on EdX and Coursera. Do that for a while, go to community college, then go as cheap as possible for a year or two working very hard to finish a usable degree.
The only problem is that this strategy threatens the Education Industrial Complex.
CHANGING TIMES vs. THE OLD GUARD
We buy and consume more because that is exactly what the credit/debt-based global financial system wants us all to do. They want to keep it going as long as possible. “Everybody” is involved. Eventually, even an old hold-out like me has to change- only S-L-O-W-L-Y. Things eventually wear out; people die-off. The next generation is always “new”, but seldom improved. Ditto with today’s politicians. House Majority leader Eric Cantor represented the Old Republican Party Guard. His time has passed. Eric was not paying attention to changing times and was blindsided.
Nobody sees big changes coming because we usually don’t want to see it. Changes usually come gradually and progressively. That’s the way it always happens. When interest rates again become high(er), consuming ( and therefore the economy) will slow- down under a new regime (administration) and tight money. Change may be coming sooner than people want to think. So, better prepare for it now rather than be an Eric Cantor and be blindsided.
– H. Craig Bradley
Yes, those with big loans will be really in trouble if the interest rate goes up. Talk about debt servitude! The USA will have a very productive workforce — of moderately educated slaves.
LIVING IN A SMALL WORLD
No problem! We simply restructure after each recession and come back to it. People adapt to the “new normal”, whatever it might be. We survive and forget. People march on, doing what they must each day to survive. We become engrossed in our own (little) affairs and businesses. Get to the next transaction as soon as possible. Every higher volume to make up for ever cheaper dollars and higher taxes. Keep busy. Don’t reflect on much. Civil discourse dies-off ( except online). Enjoy a little recreation now and then where you can get it. Ignore everything else about you. That’s how America has changed. We don’t care about the big picture, only our own little world.
I can support lowering the interest rates on student loans, provided:
1. The funds come from reductions in other areas of government spending. No more new taxes!
2. Colleges commit to reducing tuition by a certain meaningful percentage. They need to operate in a more business-like manner. They all have a decent amount of “fat” that can be cut.
It is a great law for the students that owe so much money for student loans. However, if the cost of a collegs education keeps increasing these loans will become larger.
The ouestion is how to stop the ever increasing cost of college?
Obama had no business taking over the student loans in the first place. This is not a good deal. These students took out the loans and they should have to pay them back. We had to pay all our loans in full.
Obama is trying to take over everything. And he ruining everything.
Since most of the colleges take a lot of government money let the colleges refund the money for the extremely high costs of attending each college. You have Tenure for many professors that work 4-6 hours per week and write books and do projects that they sell and the taxpayer is paying all of this plus the cost to attend college. $30,000 to $70,000 a year is insane to attend college and have your children be lectured by many left wing professors who are living large off of the system that they constantly berate. To lower cost of college is simple: Get the government out and have professors that really teach.
Ladies and gentlemen,
I have almost no comment. Except:
– I started working at the age 11;
– I worked through to pay for my education and paid very substantial amount to our government which I’ve never claimed in any returns;
– I will never retire
I like the idea of charging students prime rate during repayment period. My thoughts are to make the student loans payable to the attending school and if the student does not attend or drop out – then the school has to refund the money. It’s too easy to get the loans in the first place, and allowing students to take the money and spend it however they please is a bad idea. I know of too many people who take the money and run, never having any intention of going to school OR intending on paying it back. This happened excessively starting in 2008 as people lost their jobs and portended to go to school to enhance their skills/worth in the job market, but never did go to school or quit shortly after getting the money. A lot of people do this because they know the Gov is not good at tracking them down and forcing payments. Part of the poor re-payment record is the Gov’s problem. I had heard of some company’s buying the debt from the Gov. at a cut rate price, and then they have a high incentive to track down deadbeats and collecting. These companies are doing very well – collecting much more than the Gov ever has.
My wife incurred student debt of $40,000 and paid it off in 10 years. I’m afraid that what the president proposes will lead to students learning only one thing in college: that their word is worthless, and a contractual agreement is made to be broken in one way or another. I suggest a new name for this generation of young people: the “Whiners.”
The corruption at the administrative level of all public (maybe private, too, I don’t know) education in the US is as corrupt as that in Washington. We need a whole new crop of administrators as badly as we need a whole new Congress. They are fleecing the students just the same as Washington has turned us all into debt slaves. I believe the bulk of tuition pays salaries, perks, and outrageous benefits that are not deserved as well as other stealing and skiimming, and I do not mean the professors salaries. Selfishness and dishonesty is the order of the day.
Many of the comments made have some degree of substance as there are many causes for the problem. Poor paying jobs, classes that do nothing to prepare kids for the workforce, overpaid professors and staff, high tuition, high student loan interest rates, etc.. We have not yet seen the real ramifications if this issue as well as many others are not resolved soon. Our country and our economy is based upon consumption of goods including housing. Many of us may currently feel isolated from this issue however, we will not be if these kids are burdened with so much debt with low-paying jobs that the demand for housing and all other goods falls off dramatically since they cannot afford anything but essentials. Normally supply and demand would mean that prices will then fall which can be a good thing however, just remember, that may not be the case for many items since only variable costs drop in the production of goods but, fixed costs remain. Also, real estate will exponentially drop so any equity you baby-boomers think you have will totally evaporate. We need to get young people on positive footing with good paying jobs so that they can be in a position to raise families and maintain demand for goods or the whole economy will collapse on all of us. Social security also cannot be funded for those of you counting on receiving benefits in the future if the new generation is not gainfully employed. Also, do not forget that there are fewer children now than there were when we were growing up so fewer people paying into social security. We will need to forgive atleast a portion of the debt which will need to be absorbed by the wealthy and universities to protect the future of our economy.
It seems that several things are overlooked here – and I don’t know the answers, but maybe someone here can explain:
1) Parents who fill out the FAFSA could be subject to ParentPLUS loans at the college, but it is not part of the small print included in accompanying literature. As a result, the amount that you receive as payable to the college is not the true amount a parent will be paying. Yet, parent loans are not addressed in the 10% of income and these loans are at fixed rates that cannot be refinanced to lower rates. If you don’t make a payment during one pay period, the amount is added on to the back of the loan. When will this inconsistency be addressed?
2) Institutions of higher learning, both secular and faith-based, have no tax responsibilities to the host community. If they did, they might be conscientious in analyzing their income and assets against the payments and liabilities that they are now paying. Many staffers are well-schooled to teach in cross-disciplines and they are not working a full day at the school. Their full-time jobs take a priority. What would happen if higher education were to require full-time hours from these professors along with community placement for graduates from their program(s)?
3) When a college lowers its tuition, only then should they receive a tax BREAK for that year. Taxes on a business are not permanently eliminated. Why should educational facilities be tax-free?
4) Elimination of the federal Department of Education would allow you to see “your tax dollars at work” in the state where you live. Having both a federal and state Department of Education is a prime example of wasteful duplication. Why can’t a state Department of Education take responsibility for schools and teachers in each state?
Anyone with those answers, please raise your hand …
The student loan program should be abolished. If required to accomplish this, it would be worth it to forgive all the outstanding loans, provided that we could guarantee that the student loan program would never be reinstated. This would eventually result in reduced college costs, as the students could not then afford the present cost structure.
Get rid of all the FLUFF courses required for a degree! Colleges rake in tons of money for basket weaving and phys ed courses to satisfy a degree for a “well rounded student” What a scam!. Taxpayers are on the hook for all that!
Here is a novel idea. Upon completing high school, and being short on cash, get a job.
After several years, one would have accumulated some savings
Check into a community college to begin your college education. You will not have to
borrow any money. If you keep on working and go to school part time, You will begin to get educated in life. Your perspective on where you want to go with your life will begin to crystallize. With sufficient funds eventually you will complete your education. If possible,
take no loans. It may take you possibly eight years to complete your education.
Also, you will be debt free.
I can speak to this, because it took me ten years to get a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Raised two children and in the end, owed nobody any money for my college education More importantly, in looking back, useless garbage courses were not required to be taken. Government mandated sensitivity courses of today just essentially steal
funds from students. Education free from government interference should be demanded by the American people.
This is not only outrageously funny but seriously dangerous!
Obama, who has been the biggest deficit spender – and the fastest one – in history, increasing US govt. debt from $10.626 trillion over $17.726 trillion in about 5.75 years, Trying to advise students to manage their debt?
This is really unbelievable !
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